I have just released version 0.0.1a of xmlRenderer. It is intended to be a modified DTMLDocument which uses XML/DTML as the base instead of HTML/DTML. This means that you can still embed DTML into the document as long as the result of it is valid XML. If you want to give the development version a go, it's at http://www.zope.org/Members/philh/xmlRenderer-0.0.1a.tgz Have fun Phil phil.harris@zope.co.uk