While the old mail system on classic was hosed, a few of us at digital creations took the opportunity to migrate the mailman lists the new host and the new version of mailman. (Barry Warsaw, mr mailman, did the main work of transforming the lists, while ethan and i helped with data transfer, dns config, etc - "...hauling up the data on the xerox line..." (*)) This migration was way overdue, and was intended to happen in the near term, anyway. It should mean more reliable service, and reduce some of the awful headaches the list managers have had to endure, keeping the old system going and, particularly, dealing with the poorly filtered bounce messages. (I collected over 20,000 bounces over a period of a few months, as zope@zope.org admin, lucky me. The improved bounce handling in mailman 2.0 should reduce that number significantly - and it's no longer pointless to continue to improve it as we discover unhandled bounce formats...) We have yet to confirm that delivery works ok - but signs are good, as the system slogs through the backlog. For the short term, we're expecting more *sluggish* turnaround time, until we get the storage server migrated to a separate host, hopefully sometime in the next week or so. At that point, we expect improved performance, and reliability. We will see. Note that ethan updated the dns so 'lists.zope.org' is still the canonical host - and the zope.org MX record also is revised to point to the right place. 'http://lists.zope.org/mailman' and 'http://www.zope.org/mailman' should continue to be interchangable, with the latter being a redirect to the former. Upshot - the changes should be transparent. (We have yet to establish that the new mail host will relay collector and other classic.zope.org mail-using applications. We're working on it.) That's it for now. One way or another, this should be a big step forward for pending escape from painful legacy items - hooray! Ken klm@digicool.com (*) http://stevebriggs.superb.net/stanrogers/songs/wch-sng.html