The old mailman installation appears to have fallen over, and i'm trying to help it back up. I'm getting messages about run_queue failing with "Too many open files", and there are over 3400 entries in the ~mailman/data directory. I'm poking around to see if i can unwedge the queue, though so far with no luck. I assume the backlog of queue entries occurred during some dns problems yesterday and today, though i can't swear to it. The entries don't date back past yesterday, though, so it's a good bet. Ken klm@digicool.com