Turns out you can create objects with an id of . or .. although you can't access them. (which is to say I couldn't figure out how, though I didn't try ZServer standalone and I suppose apache might be doing something to the URI) You can't create objects with ids containing + or % or a host of other characters though (and btw the error message you get when you try is horrid, those characters are not illegal in URLs, illegal in the zope object model perhaps, but not URLs). I'm currious, why aren't arbitrary characters allowed in object ids? -- Jamie Heilman http://audible.transient.net/~jamie/ "You came all this way, without saying squat, and now you're trying to tell me a '56 Chevy can beat a '47 Buick in a dead quarter mile? I liked you better when you weren't saying squat kid." -Buddy