*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* [I'm running out of time here, so pardon the brief responses. Make no mistake, though - i'm glad to be having this discussion! It's good to be getting this input, seeing suggestions for other ways to look at this discussion problem...] On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Toby Dickenson wrote:
I dont actually have anything against Wikis in general; I have used on very successfully for what I would describe as "document refinement", and a better annotation scheme will enhance that use of Wikis.
The passage you quoted uses terms like "subject document", and at the moment I dont see that as the best model for a *debate*
Do you feel that weblogs are bad models for debates? I think they're pretty good least-common-denominators. I would probably prefer the kind of annotation-based thing i described in my last message (and began to sketch in the WikiNG proposal) for collaborative generation of documents, but i can see the place for weblogs, just as i can see a place for network chats. With adequate integration of email (for notification and response), i see them as better than just email...
The ability to subscribe for notification (above) and/or to track what you personally have seen, and not, is intended for this kind of thing.
It would keep me happy if the notification includes a link to the new content (rather than a link to the page that contains new content). Even better, the email notification could *include* the new content.
Different options for different purposes - but we need at least notification!
But Wikis don't (for me, today) work for loosely structured commentry. Quoting from http://dev.zope.org/Fishbowl/Introduction.html
In some cases a mailing list will be setup for substantive, large-scale projects. Otherwise existing mailing lists can be leveraged (for now, use zope-dev for this).
Perhaps I should rephrase my objection..... The *real* problem is that this isnt happening - discussion is stored in Wiki pages like http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/XxxxDiscussion
I think we all agree this is a problem. We seem to have found a short term solution - though i'll tell you that with time constraints, i won't immediately have time to incorporate the points raised in the documents. Ken klm@digicool.com