Hi I love the orphan feature in dtml-in - it works really well and demonstrates the maturity of Zope Zen! When batching results as a beginner in Zope - you tend to think that Zope has a bug when not returning your results consistently (size=3 so why is it giving me 4!), (some of my staff have just assumed it's bug, and refused to develop on it (hence me learning it myself)). Then you eventually learn about orphans.... and you think that's cool! But it wasn't obvious. If you made the default value of orphan 0 (when installed) - people would learn about dtml-in more easily - it took me a few nights for the penny to drop about orphans. I got stuck doing a 'next' and 'previous article' navigation widget and the last few pages would never work! Keep up the good work. Guy