First I am delighted to see that someone is doing a new bluebream application. There seem to be so few of us. What is your starting point?? There has been no release of bluebream for ages. For me, my starting point is ZTFY.org He does a great job supporting it, and the release is quite recent. The docs are getting good too. wiki.ztfy.org My next question is about getting Jinja2 to work. I know about megrok.jinja2, but it is not at all clear to me how to get it to run with bluebream/ztfy I even wrote up a page about it. http://zopache.com/RFP_Jinja2 A quick search for jinja2 on pypi indicates a version for Django, a version for flask, a version for pyramid, but no version for ztk What are you using as a Jinja2 release for Bluebream? -- I run http://Django.SpecialtyJobMarkets.com Regards Christopher Lozinski The future of Zope http://ZOPACHE.COM On Digital Design http://OOHDL.COM