Hi, i adapted the How To: Use GenericUserFolder with an SQL database from hippy ( http://www.zope.org/Members/hippy/GUF_SQL_crypt_1_2 ) to LoginManager and Generic User Source. I didn't define a User Source or Login Method, i simply copied my methods from the GUF instance (more or less). I've tested it only with a few users in a MySQL database. If you find something wrong with this please say so! Location: http://www.zope.org/Members/jok/SQL_based_LoginManager/index_html Ciao, Jochen