Re: [Zope-PTK] PTK and Usability
A setup with 5-15 novice users, let them use the PTK and what there doing without interfering or helping, might give you valuable information for changing some UI and scenarios.
I expect to be getting such feedback from our admin and sales folks, who will be "eating our dogfood" over the next few weeks. :)
That's good. But remember actually seeing people doing the software is much more educational (for a developer/interface designer) that just getting opinions. (ok I will stop my nagging now ;-)
We have an existing effort underway to tackle the "DTML snippet" problem for Zope in general:
http://www.zope.org//Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT
In particular, ZPT makes pages back into "wholes", editable using GoLive, Dreamweaver, etc. (GoLive has better WebDAV support, and is working with the current test version; DW may take longer, as they have only broken WebDAV support, and won't commit to fixing it).
Couldn't it be done with plain FTP access or does it involve accessing DAV properties? Regards, Joahn
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Johan Carlsson wrote: <nagging snipped :>
We have an existing effort underway to tackle the "DTML snippet" problem for Zope in general:
http://www.zope.org//Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT
In particular, ZPT makes pages back into "wholes", editable using GoLive, Dreamweaver, etc. (GoLive has better WebDAV support, and is working with the current test version; DW may take longer, as they have only broken WebDAV support, and won't commit to fixing it).
Couldn't it be done with plain FTP access or does it involve accessing DAV properties?
FTP will work; Paul reminds me that the other thing ZPT needs is good XHTML support, which DreamWeaver (apparently) still lacks. FWIW, we originally favored DW as a candidate ZPT editor, and only reluctantly dropped it, after getting less-than-helpful replies from the MacroMedia folks. Tres. -- =============================================================== Tres Seaver tseaver@digicool.com Digital Creations "Zope Dealers" http://www.zope.org
FTP will work; Paul reminds me that the other thing ZPT needs is good XHTML support, which DreamWeaver (apparently) still lacks.
Ah.
FWIW, we originally favored DW as a candidate ZPT editor, and only reluctantly dropped it, after getting less-than-helpful replies from the MacroMedia folks.
Well I have recently realized that DW isn't half that great that i should be. Accually a plain disaster in some configurations. Are there any tools that excel on XHTML today? Also will the new XHTML templates work with common browsers? or does it convert to HTML? I done some repackaging attempts with DW and javascript for CMF to night, but it dw doesn't seem to be able to deliver what I expect at some point. (trying to do fake dtml-var includes) Regards, Johanc
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Johan Carlsson wrote:
FTP will work; Paul reminds me that the other thing ZPT needs is good XHTML support, which DreamWeaver (apparently) still lacks.
Ah.
FWIW, we originally favored DW as a candidate ZPT editor, and only reluctantly dropped it, after getting less-than-helpful replies from the MacroMedia folks.
Well I have recently realized that DW isn't half that great that i should be. Accually a plain disaster in some configurations.
Are there any tools that excel on XHTML today?
Also will the new XHTML templates work with common browsers? or does it convert to HTML?
XHTML *is* HTML, with stricter rules (e.g., all non-singleton tags must be closed; only HTML4 tags can be used, etc.) and XML namespaces -- ZPT uses the namespaces to attach dynamic behavior to individual notes in the template's DOM. At any rate, the idea is that normal browsers will do fine rendering XHTML, since the "ignore what I don't understand" rule for HTML is how they operate. DW messes up because it steps on the ZPT-namespace attributes when saving the template back to Zope (Amaya strips them altogether).
I done some repackaging attempts with DW and javascript for CMF to night, but it dw doesn't seem to be able to deliver what I expect at some point. (trying to do fake dtml-var includes)
Adobe's GoLive is our current best candidate: it does both XHTML and WebDAV very well. Do look at the ZPT project's wiki (and maybe the tarball, if you feel so called): http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT/ Tres. -- =============================================================== Tres Seaver tseaver@digicool.com Digital Creations "Zope Dealers" http://www.zope.org
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