ZTK & Windows support
Hi there, I've heard some noises from people that might or might not indicate something about the status of Windows support in the ZTK. If support would be dropped, let me just say that this would be a problem for me, a ZTK consumer. I personally have customers that deploy Grok on Windows (as a desktop application). Eventually I'll want to upgrade that software to a version of Grok that use the ZTK. It's also a problem for Grok. Grok tries to support Windows. Grok is best served in general if people can run it on Windows to at least try things out. I am making a request as a consumer of the ZTK that Windows support is to be taken somewhat seriously. And no, I'm not stepping up to do the work. But perhaps this thread can serve as a positive starting point for those who do. Regards, Martijn P.S. I realize that work to support Windows is being done by several people, including Hanno. Thanks!
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hi there,
I've heard some noises from people that might or might not indicate something about the status of Windows support in the ZTK.
If support would be dropped, let me just say that this would be a problem for me, a ZTK consumer. I personally have customers that deploy Grok on Windows (as a desktop application). Eventually I'll want to upgrade that software to a version of Grok that use the ZTK.
It's also a problem for Grok. Grok tries to support Windows. Grok is best served in general if people can run it on Windows to at least try things out.
I am making a request as a consumer of the ZTK that Windows support is to be taken somewhat seriously.
And no, I'm not stepping up to do the work. But perhaps this thread can serve as a positive starting point for those who do.
Regards,
Martijn
P.S. I realize that work to support Windows is being done by several people, including Hanno. Thanks!
I haven't argued that we should make a de jure proclamation of non-support for the ZTK on Windows: in fact, I perceive that it would be a Good Thing (TM) if the ZTK worked flawlessly on that platform. We are, however, in a perilous position with respect to Windows: the tests fail routinely on that platform, and nobody who *needs* to have ZTK supported on Windows has stepped up to at least help with diagnosing and fixing those test failures. Those of us who don't run or use Windows anywhere *cannot* do the initial legwork on those issues, nor can we verify any proposed fix for them. We *may* be able to help implement a fix, once somebody does the legwork / diagnosis. Until the tests pass routinely on Windows, any claim that "ZTK is supported on Windows" is a bit of a sham. AFAIK, clearing those Windows test failures is the remaining blocker to a ZTK 1.0 release at this time; the release team is holding back on the 1.0 release precisely because of the perceived value in having the ZTK packages work on Windows. The efforts by Adam and others to provide Windows binaries for the ZTK and related packages address the other major issue with claiming Windows support: since tool-deprived Windows developers can't install packages from source (those requiring C extensiosn, at least), having the binaries available is a great way to make the packages attractive. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkyKlasACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ4/4QCcCVTpfawTx33WZyoKfCOXv/iW RLEAn1Ogkv2MeDHu9gZecrNQXtQ7D23u =z8+l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hello, Actually, after checking with Jim, it seems that tests are passing for ZTK 1.0 (or 1.0 candidate), they fail for the trunk version on windows. -- Best regards, Adam
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Adam Groszer <agroszer.ll@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Actually, after checking with Jim, it seems that tests are passing for ZTK 1.0 (or 1.0 candidate), they fail for the trunk version on windows.
They pass for the trunk of ztk. They fail when running against a ztk without versions locked. That is, they fail when run against the trunks of the constituent packages. Jim -- Jim Fulton
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Adam Groszer <agroszer.ll@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Actually, after checking with Jim, it seems that tests are passing for ZTK 1.0 (or 1.0 candidate), they fail for the trunk version on windows.
They pass for the trunk of ztk. They fail when running against a ztk without versions locked. That is, they fail when run against the trunks of the constituent packages.
FTR, the same test (actually the buildout) is failing on linux and on windows. -- Best regards, Adam
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Adam Groszer <agroszer.ll@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com> wrote:
They pass for the trunk of ztk. They fail when running against a ztk without versions locked. That is, they fail when run against the trunks of the constituent packages.
FTR, the same test (actually the buildout) is failing on linux and on windows.
Adam and me fixed the last test failure in zope.app.apidoc. We should get a confirmation from the buildbots tomorrow, but it looks like all ZTK 1.0 tests pass on all platforms now. Time for a rc1 release :) Hanno
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hanno Schlichting wrote:
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Adam Groszer <agroszer.ll@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com> wrote:
They pass for the trunk of ztk. They fail when running against a ztk without versions locked. That is, they fail when run against the trunks of the constituent packages. FTR, the same test (actually the buildout) is failing on linux and on windows.
Adam and me fixed the last test failure in zope.app.apidoc.
We should get a confirmation from the buildbots tomorrow, but it looks like all ZTK 1.0 tests pass on all platforms now. Time for a rc1 release :)
GOOOOOOOOOOAL! Thanks very much to those who helped get us a to a clean buildbot run! Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkyM8FUACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6L/wCfcVO5iw+o7UJTnCTrNQ/1MAWU q2gAn1E3B6WunaORYAueNKxR0P8EOt7D =m9NG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi Hanno
Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK & Windows support
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Adam Groszer <agroszer.ll@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com> wrote:
They pass for the trunk of ztk. They fail when running against a ztk without versions locked. That is, they fail when run against the trunks of the constituent packages.
FTR, the same test (actually the buildout) is failing on linux and on windows.
Adam and me fixed the last test failure in zope.app.apidoc.
thanks a lot! Regards Roger Ineichen
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