Sorry to post here. I posted last week on the zope list about what appears to be a new/strange security related problem in 2.4.3 I thought it was a problem in LdapUserFolder, but jens spent more time debugging than I did and he feels it's somewhere in the Zope security machinery. http://collector.zope.org/Zope/47 Is it security related when security doesn't do what you want (though nothing has been exposed, rather, what we want exposed isn't)? I'd try to tackle this myself, but I really have no idea where to start. I know everyone is busy, but I was wondering if anyone else has been able to reproduce the condition so that we can say for certain if its a bug, or a mis-configuration. Thanks, Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com AOL-IM: BKClements