Zopsters, I know that there is a bobobase_modification_time attribute. Does anyone know of a bobobase_create_date/time attribute, or if Zope stores such information? On a completely separate note, twice the ZODB has told me that a property name was in use when it was no where else, and then gave me key errors on that object for a period of about 5 minutes, or until I clicked on the right compination, I guess. It seemed like a thread issue. I am the only one using Zope, but since it wen a away and let me enter it eventually I am spooked out. Anybody experience this? A temporary KeyError? CVS sheckedout and recompiled as of 9:00 am PST 07/06/1999 All my best, Jason Spisak webmaster@mtear.com