Steve Alexander wrote:

I wonder whether ZPatterns could give you the direct references you wanted in another message?

Using a Customizer folder, you potentially get two references to an object's data: the DataSkin-derived object somewhere under the Customizer folder in the ZODB; and the id in the sheetprovider that represents the "flesh" inside the dataskin.

I haven't thought this through very much, and it certainly isn't useful with ZPatterns as-is. But there could be a usable idea in there somewhere :-)

Dunno, lets find out what everyone else thinks :-) cheers, Chris