Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Plone or ZPT speed?
Hi Ropas-Zopas, Just my 2 cents. I like plone and everything, but should'nt even the plone developers be working on improving and making ZPT faster? Seems to me in their rush to make this Plone product, they say they will make it compatible and faster, but I'm appalled, Yes I said it :-) Appalled at the way things are moving ahead with plone when ZPT is still in its infant stage. To sum it up Plone/CMF has got me hesitant on building with Zope because of the speed issues with ZPT. Sure I can use DTML, but every new cool thing seems to be based on ZPT. And with Zope3 on slated for eventual release, I feel for the community because of the other product diverions ZC can't even speculate a release date for it. Please understand that I'm not trying to "complain" in so much as I'm trying get and keep the community on a team/group track. I think if we watch what happens with Andy McKay and his efforts with Plone, we may learn a lot. Thanks for your time reading this. Peace, -- James I am a Washington State Citizen. Spamming this Email Address may be against Washington State Law Chapter 19.86, and 19.190 RCW. http://www.wa.gov/ago/junkemail/protect.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Hi James. Firstly lets address your subject. ZopeZen.org is slower. Why is that? - There is a lot more work being done to render a page in Plone - There is less caching being done, I havent optimized it as much as the old site was - The BSD memory leak in Python 2.1.3 is not helping - More html, javascript and css is being used You'll note I havent related to ZPT. It may or may not be slower, off the bat it appears to be slower, but I do not believe it is the only cause of the problem. It is a complex system and to compare the old site to the new one is rather like comparing apples and oranges. From raw logs posted a while I noticed a drop in performance using ZPT. But at the time you will note I pointed out that this could have been due to several things.
Just my 2 cents. I like plone and everything, but should'nt even the plone developers be working on improving and making ZPT faster?
So your suggestion is instead of not using Plone and ZPT in the real world to see how they perform, I should just concentrate on working on ZPT? Thank you for the compliment, its nice to hear you imply that I am capable of improving code that Guido and others has worked on. I know enough C to know Im not an expert yet, and that is will dramatically help ZPT. I would like to add that in open source projects there is a need for contributors at every level. People work on things that interest them, wish to gain knowledge in or whatever personal reason they have. I don't know much about the innards of C and Python so leave that to the experts whilst trying to gain knowledge. Some of the Plone team are excellent at CSS and Im lucky enough to be working with some people who are keen on writing documentation. In fact I'll wager the people who work on UI, documentation, testing are just as important as the people who write the excellent code. Successful projects need a diverse group of people, one I think we have. The Plone project brings people to Zope, it puts Plone in front of users. In the end that means improvements all down the line back to Zope. -- Andy McKay www.agmweb.ca
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