Hi, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Zope2#bug-tracker says: "Bugs reports should be made through the Zope bugtracker at https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2." https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/+filebug says: "Zope 2 bug reporting guidelines: Please report new bugs at https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/issues" What's correct? If the second one is correct: The policy of my company doesn't allow to register for GitHub services. Is there an alternative way to report bugs? Or is reporting bugs now limited to customers of GitHub Inc? Cheers, Yuppie
Hi, Out of curiousity, what is the difference between having to create an account for a service of the commercial company Canonical and the commercial company github? I've flown over the ToS of github and found nothing worrysome. On 04.02 12:35, yuppie wrote:
Hi,
https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Zope2#bug-tracker says:
"Bugs reports should be made through the Zope bugtracker at https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2."
https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/+filebug says:
"Zope 2 bug reporting guidelines: Please report new bugs at https://github.com/zopefoundation/Zope/issues"
What's correct?
If the second one is correct: The policy of my company doesn't allow to register for GitHub services. Is there an alternative way to report bugs? Or is reporting bugs now limited to customers of GitHub Inc?
Cheers,
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Hi Patrick, I didn't want to start a political discussion, I just wanted to know if I missed a decision regarding the bugtracker and which channels I can/should use for contributing. Anyway: Patrick Gerken wrote:
Out of curiousity, what is the difference between having to create an account for a service of the commercial company Canonical and the commercial company github?
Short answer: The size of these companies. Long answer: Collaborative software development is a market with a strong network effect. Like telephone networks or social networks. If you use the services of big companies you help them to become bigger. If they reach the critical mass, they are no longer part of the market, they take over the network and make it private. Look at the Facebook's ToS if you want to see how companies behave after all competitors are marginalized. Unfortunately nobody is regulating these new markets like it was done with the phone market. The breakup of the Bell System in the US and European regulations fixed that market. I want public networks based on open standards, not private networks based on proprietary standards. That's why I support projects like Zope and fight against companies like GitHub. Cheers, Yuppie
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/2015 06:35 AM, yuppie wrote:
What's correct?
If the second one is correct: The policy of my company doesn't allow to register for GitHub services. Is there an alternative way to report bugs? Or is reporting bugs now limited to customers of GitHub Inc?
We are in the process of switching off the Launchpad issue trackers and reporting all bugs on the Github issue pages. Zope2 is currently "in the middle" on that: the released versions were created when Launchpad was still the primary location, and we have not finished moving stuff across. The drivers for the move are to simplify the workflow for the maintainers (e.g., closing bugs via checkin messages). While I would in theory be happier to have a better alternative to Github (e.g., Nick Coghlan's proposal to use Kallithea to host forge.python.org), I don't see the will in the community to support that. Zope2's biggets downstream, Plone, has moved all its development effort to Github, for instance. I just added a branch, `lp:zope2`, which will track the master branch from Github. You should be able to push branches and request merges on Launchpad, and can ask for their review here. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU0k5VAAoJEPKpaDSJE9HYQWUP/0rhyKYRZU7n6IiYDRSqKA9O R52OLMlVuaqHEigzImtaR4ZOkOE1yFjRnvfY7UXE7CfbCurONPARUsAhkvgLUdwf XXRqe+6yGMhgkWQEwGaOaxszRGF+zaPVI24ajhvEzpFV4okIjungPcGvBMAxtkdo MOnMsqQeB0C1A9XFdF1g6etVwLQS8mFbrg9nFdtEXTi8Iem7heuMOlSd1dopcCyj RiTgkJclrNDp1+qjwGaCv2OPnxxfmMQRglVdVSGqkdfxOXF4BCP4qD3bXlwHl41R 3OABSZ0fGDdL0jotiWy1ZhZGTCUFyjMG+r8rNbeWMkE1rC9wz5tCERmRfWymTn/Y 2Ds9ausSUh6Wx90pLOBNcCYB+iM+cceSr0/zlujvfY5ADmEqvYjomdUVAzoxGhUV qgphBEaaJXN70mdllzNJCMVzjIxeow/Bhtrl+wWTijHBnaWtgX2O1WalzO1qQluu pTN5LnmR3B6MMiyrrXjd3PkTkQFs1Fuog9DvkfdRO939QLXVJ14sY3pRudkVtLOx iV9Si6wxN8wuEK4gTMuID+6lsdKRPhEMYxe5WI4RYy8QgBpi21KkLH+lBCke676B 52QD+OK5VpgxWXrjKrKcbwbbZSbQg8LSS566Q+hg7pomTKFLdugIPCEQOIuL1TOD nVA4nVhFwifBpadEY1JB =B8hw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi Tres! Tres Seaver wrote:
On 02/04/2015 06:35 AM, yuppie wrote:
What's correct?
If the second one is correct: The policy of my company doesn't allow to register for GitHub services. Is there an alternative way to report bugs? Or is reporting bugs now limited to customers of GitHub Inc?
We are in the process of switching off the Launchpad issue trackers and reporting all bugs on the Github issue pages. Zope2 is currently "in the middle" on that: the released versions were created when Launchpad was still the primary location, and we have not finished moving stuff across. The drivers for the move are to simplify the workflow for the maintainers (e.g., closing bugs via checkin messages).
So in other words: Any link that points to Launchpad for reporting new bugs is outdated and someone is working on sorting this out. If I don't want to become GitHub customer, I have these two options: - not reporting bugs - reporting bugs on zope-dev@zope.org until I'm told to stop that
While I would in theory be happier to have a better alternative to Github (e.g., Nick Coghlan's proposal to use Kallithea to host forge.python.org), I don't see the will in the community to support that. Zope2's biggets downstream, Plone, has moved all its development effort to Github, for instance.
I just added a branch, `lp:zope2`, which will track the master branch from Github. You should be able to push branches and request merges on Launchpad, and can ask for their review here.
Thanks! I'll test that procedure the next time I want to change something in Zope 2. Cheers, Yuppie
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/05/2015 06:27 AM, yuppie wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
On 02/04/2015 06:35 AM, yuppie wrote:
What's correct?
If the second one is correct: The policy of my company doesn't allow to register for GitHub services. Is there an alternative way to report bugs? Or is reporting bugs now limited to customers of GitHub Inc?
We are in the process of switching off the Launchpad issue trackers and reporting all bugs on the Github issue pages. Zope2 is currently "in the middle" on that: the released versions were created when Launchpad was still the primary location, and we have not finished moving stuff across. The drivers for the move are to simplify the workflow for the maintainers (e.g., closing bugs via checkin messages).
So in other words: Any link that points to Launchpad for reporting new bugs is outdated and someone is working on sorting this out.
Yes. One part of the task that isn't done yet for Zope2 is migrating open LP bugs over to Github, closing them an LP with a link to the new bug.
If I don't want to become GitHub customer, I have these two options:
- not reporting bugs
- reporting bugs on zope-dev@zope.org until I'm told to stop that
I'd say reporting them here is fine, and would argue against anybody wanting to tell you to stop.
While I would in theory be happier to have a better alternative to Github (e.g., Nick Coghlan's proposal to use Kallithea to host forge.python.org), I don't see the will in the community to support that. Zope2's biggets downstream, Plone, has moved all its development effort to Github, for instance.
I just added a branch, `lp:zope2`, which will track the master branch from Github. You should be able to push branches and request merges on Launchpad, and can ask for their review here.
Thanks! I'll test that procedure the next time I want to change something in Zope 2.
For future reference (mine, as well as anybody who might be looking at merging such branches): http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/foreign/bzr-on-git-projects.htm... Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU05cpAAoJEPKpaDSJE9HY3OUP/171Sis0sX39oYgMoOiICEpd u/3HITlGGOwMc0nUKG7O9Es3+vVIsgYV82vRTnyTvi4V9t4rd7225ZuY0yszAMjT Nqwg5rmZjJE2tFoCzApC7sgt3C70dYGi3WZCPlv82mB6Q0KsW2boBpOZifrMpka1 r0pLSRRlMsyVnKi06pqg+vYU8aTNeGK+NYTbRQaVY2vKM9rBcHImtfaFAbD8hFGz 8DzRJ9iriz6Iy9P+Y/ANVIJxKdV/BOGNDuvznbiavmwEcJ0bowgK0xqX5guteDDm 82A57+i42n3lk83fyRtxDc8TrlmMeUWBUzJ7AEcMGVT8DJ5aFpDc09MOev0Y4xKy Uo/0+e1v/vj8QIdpZtwECNmmwDk8UmIusrpMU3vShhCrFpFuH1fHs6ZJXsA7nbEs AO3Ocxt7NCUHG/MiCnYYC6tfXzWpwe/dNGT0BLztNk7sSHsf9ur3WQbI0utUD+Zz TejCdanEmv55/ei0qrRUhOicxnIDbcuy3IC2zBd8+thQu2q3o8kzi9LgPcVKIojS ROfr8F+Tuz/e/dJSHWVNTkUtpzc84Bnkro3Qxl/Gxyve/3KptoOR+kXatNySX7fe sFdU56Gb0NpX1zs1KYoBGBvF+kwLys19oHnPL1pEN1jU3q0zb3C3j9VSwvf1CVaR sj/Q1d8NXJ130w5axfrj =C5mV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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