I'm sure this has been proposed a thousand times b4. Product management/download/installation really should be integrated into ZMI, kinda like what apt-get does now. All products is already sitting on a central repository (zope.org), all that's needed is a front-end and a standard packaging policy. There's probably good reason that there's still no TTW product management in Zope (complexity, I assume). But how about switching Zope's Python runtime to ActiveState distro? ActiveState already has PyPPM for package management, why not customize it for Zope? Create an additional ZopePPM that queries the zope.org repository for packages, while leaving PyPPM for installing Python runtime libraries. Ideally, if u use ZopePPM to install something like MySQLDA, it'll resolve the dependancies and invoke PyPPM automatically to install addtional Python runtime libraries in the correct locations. No more Python runtime lirary installation hell!! Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility. pz. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
On Qua 04 Set 2002 15:31, Jeffrey Chan wrote: | I'm sure this has been proposed a thousand times b4. Product | management/download/installation really should be integrated into ZMI, | kinda like what apt-get does now. | | All products is already sitting on a central repository (zope.org), all | that's needed is a front-end and a standard packaging policy. | | There's probably good reason that there's still no TTW product management | in Zope (complexity, I assume). But how about switching Zope's Python | runtime to ActiveState distro? ActiveState already has PyPPM for package | management, why not customize it for Zope? Create an additional ZopePPM | that queries the zope.org repository for packages, while leaving PyPPM for | installing Python runtime libraries. | | Ideally, if u use ZopePPM to install something like MySQLDA, it'll resolve | the dependancies and invoke PyPPM automatically to install addtional Python | runtime libraries in the correct locations. No more Python runtime lirary | installation hell!! | | Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility. Ive been discussing this with Paul Everitt and Kapil Thangavelu during the last months. We have this in mind, and will put those ideas in practice when creating the new version of Zope.org (no date yet). Kapil has a good part of the server side API implemented, but its not finished yet (the Python Gideon). For more information about the Gideon, contact Kapil itself, at k_vertigo@yahoo.com. []'s -- Sidnei da Silva (dreamcatcher) <sidnei@x3ng.com.br> X3ng Web Technology <http://www.x3ng.com.br> GNU/Linux user 257852 Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Sid) 2.4.18 ppc Debug is human, de-fix divine.
Ive discussed this long ago and started off ZPM to do that. However at the time PyPPM wasnt done and distutils wasn't standard. My enthusiasm ran out and there was this work conflict thing ;) Zope.org doesn't really have a good product querying system, something like Gideon is sorely needed.
| Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.
We would love the possibility, go to it ;) -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
I think this is a great idea. A good way to start would be to have a tab on the Control Panel entitles "Updates", that would make some XML-RPC calls to Zope.org, and provide update and hotfix information when compared against your running server. Of course, how we know what is available is a good question...we would need to see PEPs 241 and 262 realized I imagine. The current version check wouldn't need this, however. Let's see some Web Services! Eron On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:25, Andy McKay wrote:
Ive discussed this long ago and started off ZPM to do that. However at the time PyPPM wasnt done and distutils wasn't standard. My enthusiasm ran out and there was this work conflict thing ;)
Zope.org doesn't really have a good product querying system, something like Gideon is sorely needed.
| Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.
We would love the possibility, go to it ;) -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
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Thats what ZPM did for a while, the server side stuff on my end is now broken. It would display a list of products and tell you what version needs updating. It would be fairly straightfoward to get that running again I believe if anyone wants to take a gander. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eron Lloyd" <elloyd@lancaster.lib.pa.us> To: "Andy McKay" <andy@agmweb.ca> Cc: <sidnei@x3ng.com.br>; "Jeffrey Chan" <goofrider@whoever.com>; <zope-dev@zope.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Improving product management
I think this is a great idea. A good way to start would be to have a tab on the Control Panel entitles "Updates", that would make some XML-RPC calls to Zope.org, and provide update and hotfix information when compared against your running server. Of course, how we know what is available is a good question...we would need to see PEPs 241 and 262 realized I imagine. The current version check wouldn't need this, however. Let's see some Web Services!
Eron
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:25, Andy McKay wrote:
Ive discussed this long ago and started off ZPM to do that. However at the time PyPPM wasnt done and distutils wasn't standard. My enthusiasm ran out and there was this work conflict thing ;)
Zope.org doesn't really have a good product querying system, something like Gideon is sorely needed.
| Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.
We would love the possibility, go to it ;) -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
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Is that code sitting anywhere? I'd like to take a look at it. Thanks, Eron On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 01:37, Andy McKay wrote:
Thats what ZPM did for a while, the server side stuff on my end is now broken. It would display a list of products and tell you what version needs updating. It would be fairly straightfoward to get that running again I believe if anyone wants to take a gander. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eron Lloyd" <elloyd@lancaster.lib.pa.us> To: "Andy McKay" <andy@agmweb.ca> Cc: <sidnei@x3ng.com.br>; "Jeffrey Chan" <goofrider@whoever.com>; <zope-dev@zope.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Improving product management
I think this is a great idea. A good way to start would be to have a tab on the Control Panel entitles "Updates", that would make some XML-RPC calls to Zope.org, and provide update and hotfix information when compared against your running server. Of course, how we know what is available is a good question...we would need to see PEPs 241 and 262 realized I imagine. The current version check wouldn't need this, however. Let's see some Web Services!
Eron
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:25, Andy McKay wrote:
Ive discussed this long ago and started off ZPM to do that. However at the time PyPPM wasnt done and distutils wasn't standard. My enthusiasm ran out and there was this work conflict thing ;)
Zope.org doesn't really have a good product querying system, something like Gideon is sorely needed.
| Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.
We would love the possibility, go to it ;) -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
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