Phil Harris wrote:

-, that;s a hyphen to you

and that can appear in ids ;-) cheers, Chris

Phil Harris wrote:

How about >

as in

&dtml-path>to>file>object>wotsit;

nah, looks really uglEEEE

And I'm damn sure that's bad XML ;-) Looks like the colon it is then, there's even a patch now ;-) cheers, Chris

Evan Simpson wrote:

There a patch sitting around waiting for DTML syntaxgeddon which allows slash-separated paths in object names everywhere, not just in entity syntax. That could easily be extended to also allow colons as separators.

Cool :-) I suggested the / thing to Steve who pointed out that &dtml-/folder/object; is bad XML/SGML and so 'Not a Good thing (tm)' What's this DTML syntaxgeddon then? ;-) This sounds like something I'd really be interested in as you can see from my ZTL proposal on dev.zope.org. Sadly, that didn't seems to get very far :( However, I'm pretty confident that when say DTML is a mess right now, I'm not far wrong. How can I get involved in the process to try and rectify this? cheers, Chris PS: Part of the 'DTML problem' is the lack of well defined interfaces for some things, and, more importantly, a decent generalised method interface covering DTML methods, Python Methods, Perl Methods, External Methods, etc..

Evan Simpson wrote:

Yes, well, making DTML compatible with XML is explicitly *not* a current goal,

Good :-) I'm no great XML fan myself, but is does seem to be a 'good idea' (tm)

In all other naming areas, especially indirect reference (ie. expr="_['/folder/object']") I much prefer slashes.

Yes indeed :-) So when is something like &dtml.url-/folder/my_object; and your example above likely to land?

There are so many ideas for revising DTML that the whole thing ought to be done as a single large change (the syntaxgeddon) rather than dribbling out new features and spellings over time. That can easily make people feel that they can't keep up with "all these crazy changes".

How's the templating discussion fitting into all of this?

Just keep giving feedback on those proposals.

See my later posts about following Wiki's being used for discussions :-S cheers, Chris