Thanks to everyone who has responded with info about how to admin the Data.fs and all the ACL users from a linux command line or cron job. Just to pass the info on here is what I have so far: I have found a way to kill the user via a link or straight html url http://username:password@Your.Domain.com:8080/testfolder?ids:list=acl_users&... This will delete the acl users folder out of what ever folder you have it set for. Exp: testfolder. now if I can get my lynx to run it ok I will be set. ( lynx does not like it so far but works fine from a browser url ) Also from a linux command line you can pack the db via ?: wget http://username:password@Your.Domain.com:8080/Control_Panel/Database/manage_... ( have to install wget if not already installed http://www.redhat.com/swr/i386/wget-1.5.3-10.i386.html) thanks again will keep you updated on any news I get Keith Larson Web Developer