Hi Alessandro, Zope and Python combined aren't too bad if you write some wrappers that help you manipulate data; the problem comes about when you try to do large naive queries -- there is a LOT of overhead in taking Oracle data, encapsulating it in Python objects, and then wrapping that in the Zope machinery. I have a sample database in Oracle of US Zip codes -- it has about 45,000 records in it. I can pull this into DCOracle2 on the C adapter side (dco2.so) in less than a second. However, wrapping each result cell in a python object blows that up into about 9 seconds. If I were to iterate over the whole thing in Zope (which I haven't timed) it would get a LOT longer, because Zope is enforcing policy on every object accessed. So, one of the ways to make that go faster is to use python modules 'outside' of Zope (ie external methods) to perform large calculations which takes a ZOracleDA connection object to get a cursor object on the database, does the query directly, and formats and returns the results. I realize this isn't ideal, but Zope is not optimized for the case of "extract thousands of records from the database and format them in a huge table." Zope likes "extract hundreds of records from the database and format them in a big table" instead. With each release, Zope has more features that enable you to program through the web, but when you're doing performance intensive calculations, it's usually time to write a python module and plug it in to zope (via an external method, or by writing a product). If you have the time to learn, I suggest the product route as being more satisfying, but it can be more frustrating as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MANOTTI Alessandro" <alessandro.manotti@bfeurope.com> To: <zope-dev@zope.org> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: [Zope-dev] Zope server speed

...

HI all,

I have a problem:

my company is looking for an application server. I know Zope (I

presented

...

it), and a friend of mine presented Macromedia ColdFusion.

We made some tests about the speed of the systems, arghh!!! Zope is VERY slow compared to ColdFusion!

Some examples:

I used Zope with DCOracle2 drivers to connect and extract 257000 (yes! it is a test... two hundred fiftyseven thousand records!) and Zope took more than 10 minutes, since I stopped it after that time (call SQL and print data via <dtml-var ... > TAG).

The same PC, the same server, ColdFusion took about 2 minutes to complete the operation!!!

Coldfusion is more than 5 times faster than Zope!!!

PHASE 2:

I said: ok, maybe Zope is slower that Coldfusion in TAG formatting... and I tried to get the records and perform a calculation, without no output...

Sigh! the results are the same!

I am depressed, since I talk about Zope very well in my company, but now...

Coldfusion and Zope are similar, so we shall select ColdFusion to develop web applications.

SIGH !!!

Can I try something to increase Zope power?!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Alessandro Manotti Presidente dell'Associazione "RIUSA"

Sito web: http://riusa.apritisesamo.net email: riusa@email.it mailing-list: riusa-ml@yahoogroups.com

_______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )