Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
It´s very nice to hear that you take care of the windows builds. It would be nice to get an little description how to build an WZope, which tools are needed. So we can take a look how difficult it is to build an WZope. My windows zope configuration would be c:\zope\<version>\<instance> some applications use tinytables which is not supported in new zope versions. So my solution is in thinking of versions, not in instances. I dont like the "program folder" (in germany called Programme) because on an Windows Server there is not so much services on the computer - so an exclusive c:\zope is the best ;) I dont need an "service installer" but i know many windows administrators that would ask me - "why did this product doesnt run as service" "stupid open source software" or somethink like that ... i like the zope window on the desktop, nice debugging ;) greetings & many thanks for taking care of the windows builds, christian
Hi Christian(s)! I know most people dislike <Program Files>. I do too! But it's the closest we have to a 'standard' place for installing applications. As bad as it is, I too don't like <Documents and Settings>\<username>, but that's the closest we have from $HOME. As noted, you have the choice at install time to change the default directory if you wish. We are just presenting the user with 'sane defaults'. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214
Sidnei da Silva wrote:
Hi Christian(s)!
I know most people dislike <Program Files>. I do too! But it's the closest we have to a 'standard' place for installing applications.
It's not the 'standard'. To name a few examples, all of Python, Lotus Notes and, perhaps most tellingly, IIS and Microsoft's other server offerings, don't install themselves in Program Files, they create their own top level directory.
As bad as it is, I too don't like <Documents and Settings>\<username>, but that's the closest we have from $HOME.
Please god no. Again, from the above examples, Notes stores its data in C:\Notes\data and IIS in C:\inetpub\wwwroot, I think that's ample precedent for C:\Zope\instancex...
As noted, you have the choice at install time to change the default directory if you wish. We are just presenting the user with 'sane defaults'.
They're not sane, even by Microsoft's judgement ;-) Some more questions: - what's the difference between a Full and Compact installation? - what's the process going to be to get these releases onto zope.org? (I'm quite happy to do this manually if needed ;-) ) Many thanks for your work on this, though! cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
On 11/10/06, Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
Sidnei da Silva wrote:
Hi Christian(s)!
I know most people dislike <Program Files>. I do too! But it's the closest we have to a 'standard' place for installing applications.
It's not the 'standard'. To name a few examples, all of Python, Lotus Notes and, perhaps most tellingly, IIS and Microsoft's other server offerings, don't install themselves in Program Files, they create their own top level directory.
Just as a note, those are pretty 'Advanced' applications. OTOH, Zope is too. So I buy your argument. What's your proposal for default Installation and Instance directories?
Some more questions:
- what's the difference between a Full and Compact installation?
Good question. I just copied that over from the old installer. I will remove it, it doesn't seem to do anything useful.
- what's the process going to be to get these releases onto zope.org? (I'm quite happy to do this manually if needed ;-) )
Yeah, my guess is that someone will do at least some quick QA before uploading it. So yes, manual would be preferred.
Many thanks for your work on this, though!
Thanks for helping me in the process! -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214
Sidnei da Silva wrote:
Just as a note, those are pretty 'Advanced' applications. OTOH, Zope is too. So I buy your argument.
Yay :-)
What's your proposal for default Installation and Instance directories?
I borrowed Guido's time machine an answered this already in another message ;-)
- what's the difference between a Full and Compact installation?
Good question. I just copied that over from the old installer. I will remove it, it doesn't seem to do anything useful.
Cool :-)
- what's the process going to be to get these releases onto zope.org? (I'm quite happy to do this manually if needed ;-) )
Yeah, my guess is that someone will do at least some quick QA before uploading it. So yes, manual would be preferred.
I volunteer for doing that, although that's like just meaning downloading, installing and starting using it when I'm poked to do so as I guess your buildbot already runs all the tests? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
Previously Chris Withers wrote:
Sidnei da Silva wrote:
Hi Christian(s)!
I know most people dislike <Program Files>. I do too! But it's the closest we have to a 'standard' place for installing applications.
It's not the 'standard'. To name a few examples, all of Python, Lotus Notes and, perhaps most tellingly, IIS and Microsoft's other server offerings, don't install themselves in Program Files, they create their own top level directory.
For their data, not for their binaries & libraries. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <wichert@wiggy.net> It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple.
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
For their data, not for their binaries & libraries.
Actually no, all of their data, binaries and libraries live in their own top level directories... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
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