Andrew M. Kuchling wrote:

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Lalo Martins writes:

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Folks, it's about time (or past time) Zope is splitted from its monolithical package into the real packages it uses. I'm facing similar problems when using ZPublisher.Client in gnope.

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Agreed.

"Me Too!" In fact I was shocked and disappointed about 3 months ago when it stopped being made available as separate packages...

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While completely packagizing Zope is a big job, it does seem possible to take it in little increments, and splitting out some of the more useful components would be a start.

Not that big, I think; I've only come to zope this week after formerly using bobo a few years ago, i.e. a couple of the modules that make up zope. As such I can't speak for the ZODB or all the other fancy-shmancy stuff that's new since then, but I've built a template processing system using DocumentTemplate and modifying it slightly (new tags, new syntax). In the process I got irritated many times, and I've been wanting to complain for a few days. This is close enough to the time. ;) COMPLAINTS AGAINST DOCUMENT TEMPLATE - crappy way of registering new tags. - mapping dictionary is too screwy. - can't pass arbitrary values/objects - _pop and _push don't work as expected, can get invalid and choke. - should have the rest of the standard dict stuff setattr, keys, etc. - pDocumentTemplate and cDocumentTemplate have different bugs :( - Should have a way of backtracking (delayed render?) - Zope-specific stuff (manage_blah) is part of the base package OK, those are just my irritated notes, cut and pasted from a sticky. There's other stuff, which people have noted on the site in writing new tags. Rather than complaining about it, however, I wrote a couple of base classes: generic_re_class (for new tag syntaxes), GenericTag.Block and GenericTag.Inline. They deal with some of the DT weirdness (like tag arguments) and made things *so* much easier... So let's get a Wiki going where I can do my first bit of giving back to the community! And, I want to use ZSQLMethods, although I haven't looked at how separateable they are...