Hi, Tim!
I'm agree with you. I my case I use bluefish at gnome but I like TTW GUIs because I don't need to carry my computer to work around the world and, boy, the world is a very beautifull place to visit

I understand that Zopers want a revision of the back-end with Zope3 but at this moment I don't understand so much the effort that suppose (it's only an opinion without wishing to open a discussion about that decision, I respect this decision)

My way, by other side, is about a way to work properly or better with Zope2 because Zope2 is the better place at this moment and my skills to build my project
And, in my opinion, zamazing is the an equivalent effort and thats good for the Zopers that think like my

The version of ZSM, for example, that I have in my computer has edition but is not tested yet and then I would like to add a debugger (at least at the Yanged part)

Do you imagine that you could work at every computer connected to the internet? I think that the people who use Zope is, in part, because is TTW, isn't it?

Congratulations again

2008/4/16, Tim Nash <thedagdae@gmail.com>:
Phil,
  It is great to see more posts about how well zope works for "Web
2.0" projects. I have used extjs with zope and really like the
combination. I'd like to learn more about your jquery /plone setup and
how you make it work. Would it be a time consuming for you to create a
generic product that demonstrates your setup? It would be helpful to
have a common set of artifacts to discuss.
Thanks,
Tim
ps. I can make available a generic product that demonstrates how I use
extjs if there is interest. It is pretty simple...serve a little dtml
doc which requests the gui cached in javascript. Gui makes ajax calls
back to zope for the dynamic elements.

pps. nice work zamazing! python/dtml syntax highlighting in codepress?
sweet. (but I am addicted to the mac version of Komodo)



On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Philip Kilner <phil@xfr.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
>
>  Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>
> > Thats pretty awesome. It's "zamazing" to me that Zope 2 is not a de facto
> platform for "Web 2.0" projects. I think it has some major benefits over
> Rails and maybe even Django but there seems to be no interest in it from
> that community. This is a great start.
> >
> >
>
>  I agree that it's a great platform for Web 2.0 projects - I'm a happy RDBMS
> developer, using Zope as an application server against Postgres dbs.
>
>  I find that Formulator, ZPTs and simple scripts on the server side and
> JQuery on the client side (specifically, the JQuery Taconite implementation
> [1] with XML ZPTs) work wonderfully together.
>
>  My interest is pretty narrow, in the sense that I'm all about RDBMSs,
> tabular data, and form-driven data entry - the less guff between me the and
> the RDBMS, the happier I am. However, if I don't have much to say, it's only
> because TTW Zope development using these tools is so easy. If there is any
> interest in discussing this stuff, I am up for that.
>
>  Having said all that, I'm happy enough with the ZMI as it is, so "Zamasing"
> is only of academic interest to me.
>
>  FWIW, all these techniques can also be made to work seamlessly inside Plone
> without doing any actual Plone development, which can be handy (you really
> only need to work with Plone's CSS to make it look consistent) - a server
> side mash-up which avoids all the cross-site scripting stuff, if you like.
>
>  [1] http://www.malsup.com/jquery/taconite/
>
>
>  --
>
>  Regards,
>
>  PhilK
>
>
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>
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