[ZF] Foundation goals survey

[Roger Ineichen]

Hi Andreas

> Betreff: Re: AW: [ZF] Foundation goals survey
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> I am not allowed to give feedback over whatever kind?
> The only right to exist for Zope is Plone. The only question
> is how deal with the legacy in a reasonable way and how to
> spend the money of the ZF in a reasonable way.

I just was trying to stop you from teardown another discussion
like you do most the time. Of corse, you can give feedback
but I just like others to know that this is just you and your
allways negative response to zope as a real alternative
to any other framework.

But most the time if I read mails from you on the zope mailing list
you are propagate that zope is dead. Ok that's probably what you
think but not what I think. Because we are running our business
based on zope since many years. 

We and probably many companies out there doing business with
their applications which are based on zope or parts of it. And there
is no reason to switch to another framework.

The reason, at least for me, is very simple. I never saw another
framework which didn't force me to update my application because
of everything changes here and there in each release.

In this point, zope is one of the most consistent and stable framework
I ever worked with. And I'm pretty sure we will work with zope for
another 5 years.


I could agree with you if you whould say that most zope developer
don't take the time to respond to the mailing list or that they are
not very visible in a community. And this brings us back to my initial
mail. If someone tries to improve this situation. It's more then
anoying to read that zope should be dead as an initial respond.


Regards
Roger Ineichen

> Andreas
> 
> Roger Ineichen wrote:
> > Hi Andreas
> >
> > I never understood your motiviation about your negative comments if
> > someone likes to improve something or make progress in a good
> > direction with zope.
> >
> > Can you explain the motivation behind your reaction?
> >
> > Regards Roger Ineichen
> >
> >
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: foundation
> >> [mailto:foundation-bounces at zope.org] Im Auftrag von
> > Andreas Jung
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Januar 2014 13:42 An: Godefroid Chapelle
> >> Cc: Zope Foundation Betreff: Re: [ZF] Foundation goals survey
> >>
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014/1/21 Godefroid Chapelle <gotcha at bubblenet.be>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) fund specific critical development efforts
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Zope and its components are mature and devel. almost dead - it's
> >> legacy. Zero need to invest into a dead cow.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2) fund targeted Zope sprints
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Zope sprint will only attract the "old" Zope faces...this won't
> >> work out
> > much.
> >>
> >> 3) fund a Zope Conference, either standalone or with another
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> see above
> >>
> >>
> >> 4) fund the creation of documentation showing Zope's capabilities
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> we failed a decade doing this- the time of Zope is over - waste of
> >> time...
> >>
> >>
> >> 5) encourage further porting of Zope onto Python 3
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> +1 - this is likely needed in the long term from the Plone
> >> community if
> > they want to
> >> move to Python 3.
> >>
> >>
> >> 6) cleanup and organize a Zope Consultant/Training resource
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For a legacy technology?
> >>
> >>
> >> 7) commission and maintain a roster of Zope usergroups
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The age of Zope user groups is dead - Python user groups
> >> yeah....but who would go to a Zope user group meeting? Yawn....I
> >> tried to revive a
> > local
> >> Zope user group some years ago...mission failed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 8) some kind of joint/merged effort with the Plone Foundation
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That's a possible idea.
> >>
> >> Sorry for my harsh but realistic views on the Zope world :-)
> >>
> >> Andreas
> >
> >
> 
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