[Grok-dev] Re: grok futures: the return of the ZMI

[Martijn Faassen]

Hey,

Paul Everitt wrote:
[snip]
> Thus, a new ZMI wouldn't have to do TTW *development*.  We could leave 
> out restricted Python.  We could even leave out ZPT.  In fact, we could 
> freaking leave out the browser.  Instead, it would be about 
> pointy-clicky model specification.

What you describe is a slightly different area then the one I'd like to 
tackle with the ZPT step (though the model step is related). Allowing 
ZPT overrides indeed opens up the danger of untrusted people going in 
and breaking things. I hope that can be mitigated by allowing good 
export facilities to the filesystem-style of development.

Also whatever it was worth, people *did* use the ZMI for TTW 
development, and it was very popular for a while until the drawbacks 
became clear. There's just about nothing that beats "Hello world" in the 
Zope 2 ZMI in speed of development.

> Instead, produce a "model", as Martin says, that can be checked into SVN 
> and address all the concerns about ZODB black box.  It then becomes 
> "through-the-REST".
> 
> I confess that I'm working on such an idea.  Since I have been full of 
> shit on this story since before Martijn Pieters joined Digital 
> Creations, I need to keep my mouth shut until I show anything.

I remember. We'll indeed wait to see it. :)

Regards,

Martijn