<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Martijn Faassen <<a href="mailto:faassen@startifact.com">faassen@startifact.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Kamon Ayeva wrote:<br>
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Yes, it's a chicken and egg problem. There are a number of places where it needs to be tackled: on the internet, at international events, and, as you point out, locally.<br>
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Now on to your point:<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
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What do you think about more regular meetings where some volunteer could present Grok to the others, like what Peter did at the London Python meeting.<br>
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I think it should be centered around Grok (and let say you will have 2 or 3 presentations of 30-mn each). More importantly, this would happen in countries (with the help of a Python User Group or a local Zope company). The point really is getting Grok to people (local presence) instead of having the people meet Grok developers and promoters only once a year if they get the chance to go to a Zope or Python event.<br>
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In my case, I can look at an opportunity to have such a session in Paris, lead it and communicate about it. If this could happen in a bi-monthly base and spread all around the world, it would make us more visible as a community. More, it would make us approachable.<br>
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What do you think ? Of course, we can also have sessions where you have a mix of Django or Pylons presentations with Grok, so that the attender can compare ! What is imporant is to make Grok visible.<br>
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I think this is an excellent idea. Giving people the feeling that there are people locally that use Grok should help quite a bit to gain wider attention and thus hopefully adoption, I think.<br>
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It's a good point in the evolution of Grok too. I think technology-wise Grok can compete with anything else in the Python world at this point; since we're building on top of Zope 3 we're probably starting to pull ahead in some areas already. That doesn't mean we should stop improving Grok (or its documentation!); there's still a huge amount of stuff to do, but we should recognize we're actually doing quite well.<br>
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I haven't paid enough of attention to local events here, but that's a mistake, I think. Accidentally almost we've had a semi-local event here due to the Grokkerdam sprint, and I did talk about Grok in its very early days in late '06 at a Dutch python user group (PUN) meeting.<br>
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You mention a bi-monthly base. Do you propose people organize such a thing in their local user groups every two months? In many places (including the Netherlands), we're lucky if we get python user group meeting twice a year. :)<br>
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This might be a good way to drive up the frequency, though. I'll kick off the organization of another PUN meeting.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>I propose we exploit every possible planned Python meeting to present Grok + try when possible to have additional ones dedicated to Grok.<br>In France, I will talk to the fench UG for that. And I will also see if something is possible with my company.<br>
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By the way, if local users groups want to invite me to give a talk and they'll help a little with the costs of travel and such, I'd be happy to come over and give a talk. (If you want to do more, we can talk about organizing a training session, too.)</blockquote>
<div><br>Of course, this is definitely something to do.<br></div></div><br>-- Kamon<br><br>