[ZDP] Re: [Zope] reality check

[Tom Deprez]

Mmmm,

Hi Rik,

I understand your feeling.... That's also why I stopped writing on ZBook a
few months back... however I started again working on ZDP and probably soon
writing for ZBook... I've read your posts and even replyed to the first
one... the others I didn't, sorry about that... the problem is that I don't
know where these chapters are placed in ZBook, like with most drafts,
because we don't have a good tool yet to order them.

I also already asked people to update their status at the ZDP-list, but not
much people replyed (1 or 2..!)... how then can you try to get something
moving? These status updates can be silly... but! they're important so that
we know we're not alone working on ZDP!!
Also, I'm waiting what DC wants to do with ZDP... do they still want our
help, or are they going to do something else?

At the moment, I've some days off and I'm going to try the following out :

1. Finishing my Delphi components (yes, still got other things to do!)
2. Redesigning ZDP:8080
3. Looking at KnowledgeBase kit and FlexFAQ to see if we can use them as the
ZDP tools... (I don't think there are others and I can't make them myself).
4. Making some zclasses, so everybody can put his status on the site.
5. Publishing the letters of the publishers
6. Ordering all the drafts, so people get an idea about the contents of
ZBook.
7. .... lot's of things to do, isn't it?

Then, if I don't get any replies to this, then I'm wondering what I'm doing
here... I hope this won't be the case.

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Hoekstra <hoekstra@fsw.leidenuniv.nl>
To: <zope@zope.org>; <zdp@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:26 PM
Subject: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] reality check


> Ok, that's it. Two points (ok I'm grumpy tonight)
>
> 1) I can't believe docs are really an issue with anyone. <whining
> mode> Let me take myself as an example (yes this is whining!). I have
> squeezed out three drafts of a chapter for ZBook called changing
> context in Zope. They  were almost completely made up of examples.
> I got exactly one (1)  response to the first draft from anyone either
> on the ZDP list or elsewhere (thanks Patrick).
>
> Now, it may well be they are completely worthless or off target, but
> then please say so, so I can save myself the trouble.
>
> Say anything. I asked for feedback repeatedly. It is not exactly
> motivating to write documentation if there is no feedback at all.
> That makes it appear as though there is no need for documentation -
> or did I get this wrong.
>
> This also what Open Source is about as far as I'm concerned- _co_
> operation</whining mode>
>
> Moreover, there still is no real policy of DC towards the ZDP
> documentation. We asked for that repeatedly on the list. For want of
> a reply, the ZDP group assumed we would have to write everything
> ourselves as if there were no documentation effort by DC. Do we have
> to conclude from this that documentation is not their agenda?
>
> 2) The existing documents are not exactly good. But I'm no programmer
> by trade or by education, in fact I'm from a humanities background.
> Nevertheless, I picked Zope up in about a month or so after it first
> came out (ok I did have Python experience, but documentation then was
> worse than now and there was hardly any assistence available like the
> list does provides). Now, this either means that I am very smart
> (compliments accepted) or people who claim to have years of computer
> science background and are able pick up all sorts of other things are
> doing something very wrong
>
> Ah, that feels better
>
> provocative-on-purposely-yours
>
> Rik
>
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