[Zope-CMF] to frame or not to frame

[Alan W. Presley]

Hello C,

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate your comments.

This is exactly what I am faced with. Those who say Frames are evil then
use them in Zope management interface. Why did Zope decide that frames are
OK with the interface, but then not use them in their own site?

I personally have no problem with printing a page in a frameset.  Am I
just above the average computer user who can't figure it out?  

I don't think so...

It sounds like more predjudice than actual programming prowess.  We take
the time to learn a new programming language (zope), but can't keep frames
running right?

OK, now I'm just ranting, so I'll shut up.

I'm still interested in hearing from anyone who would like to give me more
2 cents...  I could obviously use them.  ;)

Thanks to all that have sent me thier cents privately,
Alan


cer@sol43.com writes:
>Alan,
>
>I don't think frames and slots are mutually exclusive. Frames are 
>an HTML construct, and slots are used in page templates. You can 
>use Frames with either dtml or page templates - look at the zope 
>management interface(ZMI) -.
>
>My 2 cents... Frames are evil. No really, frames were originally 
>used when typical access speeds were 14 or 24k to save multiple 
>loading of navigation and so on. There are some instances where 
>frames work really well - ZMI - but generally their more trouble 
>than their worth. I think you'll find very few publicly viewable 
>and near zero commercial sites that still used frames.
>
>My rule of thumb... Frames are only an option when the page(s) 
>being viewed will never have to be printed, and then... only if all 
>other options have been exhausted. BTW, the last time I thought 
>about using frames, I used Flash instead ;-). Feed via zope with 
>XML of course.
>
>~C
>
>On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 09:00  AM, zope-cmf-request@zope.org wrote:
>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:23:24 -0500
>> To: zope-cmf@zope.org
>> From: "Alan W. Presley" <awpresley@hbu.edu>
>> Subject: [Zope-CMF] to frame or not to frame
>>
>> hello all,
>>
>> I was just curious in taking a poll...
>>
>> What are your thoughts on building sites (with Zope of course) using
>> Frames VS Slots?
>>
>> Some say Frames are evil, some say they hate having to scroll back 
>> up to
>> the navigation on non-frames pages.
>>
>> I'd like to know everyone's thoughts of both sides of the issue. 
>> You may
>> reply privately to me if you would rather do so.  
>> Mailto:awpresley@hbu.edu
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alan
>
>Carl E. Rendell
>Solution43
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