[Zope-CMF] Re: Plone participation in the CMF list

[Andreas Jung]

--On 1. August 2005 12:53:20 -0400 Geoff Davis <geoff at phds.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:30:20 +0100, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>
>> It would help everyone if the CMF side opened up a little
>> more to ideas coming down from Plone, and if the Plone side stopped
>> reinventing wheels that would be much better off (and benefit
>> everyone) in the CMF or other non-Plone core products.
>
> Perhaps some specifics would help.
>
> * What wheels do you think Plone has reinvented?
>

Without thinking to long....why isn't SecureMailHost part of Zope? I agree 
with Jens that ppl of the Plone community are trying to brew their own beer 
instead of brewing it for the whole Zope community. I have no idea why. One 
reason might be the ZPL and the Zope contributor agreement...but I think 
most Z2 contributors can and do live with the ZPL and the agreement very 
well. I have also a problem with putting everything under the GPL. I am 
fine with putting Plone as *application* under the GPL but I have problems 
with putting common frameworks under the GPL. Plone got  CMF for free under 
the ZPL.  But when I was trying to get PTS released under a non-GPL for a 
project it was nearly impossible to get this done (I would have to ask 
every single PTS contributor for a permission)...meanwhile I reimplemented 
the PTS functionality own my own (with 10% of lines of code of PTS). Plone 
lives from Zope and Zope lives from Plone. I see a lot of Z2 ppl 
contributing to Plone but I see only a minor number of Plone developers 
contributing back to Zope/CMF (anyone else except Stefan, Sidnei ?). As 
Zope 2 release manager (and Jens as CMF release manager) I would like to 
see a more active participation in the Z2 and CMF development. In addition 
being less piqued about license issues would help a lot.

Andreas

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