[Zope-dev] Re: XSL for Zope - a bounty on this?
Otto Hammersmith
otto@ipass.net
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:31:56 -0800
(I appologize if this arrives twice, this webmail interface
is a little flaky.)
Wow, three XML posts so close together. :)
First, I'm sure DC wouldn't have any problems with
outsiders working on core parts of Zope. Witness
PythonMethods. Of course, it would have to be *good* code.
That said, I'd be willing to do some contract work to get
such a thing done.
I wasn't going to post the URL to this for a while, but
since it's germange to the discussion...
http://www.zope.org/Members/otto/bluesky_xml. I started
writing it about a week and a half ago, just cleaned it up
a bit so it's worth putting out there. Not cataloged, or
even requested to be, yet.
The scope there is a little larger than just XSL..
personally, I don't think it's overkill, but someone may
disagree with me. :)
Comments and questions welcomed... though if you post to
the list, please cc me. I subscribe to the digest and will
likely not see replies for a long while unless they're cc'd.
-Otto.
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Message: 15
From: morton@dennisinter.com (Damian Morton)
To: <zope-dev@zope.org>, <zope@zope.org>
Subject: [Zope-dev] XSL for Zope - a bounty on this?
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:20:26 -0500
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A number of people have expressed a desire to have XSL
support in Zope. The projects I am working on also seem to
be needing the application of XSL, and whilst we can (and
will) use some external XSL processor, it would seem that
a 'cleaner' solution would be to have XSL support directly
in Zope.
I originally came to want to use Zope because I needed a
tool that allowed the manipulation of a persistant tree of
objects; my prototype was done in XML, but it needed
persistance, an interface, and a programming language,
hence the use of Zope. Even having only XPath support would
be an extremely usefull way for packaging up
simple 'queries' on the Zope database.
Ive been looking around at the Python XSL implementations
and the FourThought 4suite is looking pretty damned good,
especially considering their goal of eventual ODMG 2.0
support. Zope desparately needs some standards compliance,
even if only for the buzzwords.
The question on my mind is: how much do other people want
XSL in Zope?
Im willing and able to put some $$$ up for a bounty on
this. Is anyone else?
I guess Id also like to heard what DC has to say about
this; whether they are willing to have an external group
contribute/merge a key technology into their codebase, and
if they have any preferences about who this group might
be.
[snip]
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Message: 16
From: "Josh Zeidner" <jmz_phylogenic@hotmail.com>
To: zope-dev@zope.org
Subject: [Zope-dev] friday afternoon comments on XML and
Zope
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:27:36 EST
hello,
I have been watching the activity on this newsgroup
while developing a commercial system in Zope, and I feel I
have made a few observations which might be useful to the
Zope community at large.
I am seeing a lot of similarities in the phylogeny of
the XML spec and Zope. Currently, I have been involved in
finding a solution for the the transformation of structured
data in Zope. We ( myself and Damien Morton ) have been
searching for a simple way of expressing selection and
expansions of a tree-like data structure. It seems to me
the best way to express these type of problems is with
languages like XPath and XSLT. In addition, the
development of a "zope data pointer" is remarkably similar
to the problem that the drafters of the XLink specification
are working out( in much larger numbers and levels of
experience ).
So... what I am implying is, as was touched upon before
in a reply to one of my posts : is that if Zope were to be
more tightly coupled to the XML specifiation, it would
greatly increase Zope's user base and list of adaptable
technologies. Zope is just not ready and willing to have
XSL, XPath, and Xlink plugged right in. In order to use
such non-proprietary technologies, custom logic must be
applied to Zope: why should this be? Should Zope( being
that it practically IS XML already ) be more *XML
compliant*?
In a nutshell- more XML friendly features built into the
core of Zope is something I would like to see in future
releases.
Other than that, thanks for all your responses- viva la
Zope.
-josh zeidner
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:49:21 -0800
From: Nitin Borwankar <nitin@borwankar.com>
To: Damian Morton <morton@dennisinter.com>
CC: zope-dev@zope.org, zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] XSL for Zope - a bounty on
this?
Damian Morton <morton@dennisinter.com> wrote
> The question on my mind is: how much do other people want
> XSL in Zope? Im willing and able to put some $$$ up for a
> bounty on this. Is anyone else?
I am willing to put up $$$ for this also assuming it is
to go Open Source.
Nitin Borwankar,
nitin@borwankar.com
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