[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Are there Graphic Designers?
William Trenker
wtrenker@shaw.ca
Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:15:25 -0800
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At 12:47 AM 4/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
>I've spent more time making the Python docs work in NS4 than making them
>look good in more modern browsers
This is sad but true. I still have Netscape 4 here for testing as
well. (I run into the same problem with other web technologies, like
Macromedia Flash. Yes, probably 97% of browsers do have a Flash player
installed, but what version? Many are still at Version 3.) Those
"Download FREE upgrade" buttons may as well be invisible.
I don't think we should let Zope3 look ugly on old browsers, but isn't it
acceptable for it to look more modest? With careful use of CSS, it is
possible to let the older browsers "fail gracefully".
And it is amazing what can be done with very little CSS and lots of
images. The page at, http://www.yabb.info/community/, has 2 styles, no
Javascript, and looks very respectable. But look at all the GIF's.
If the web-centric, software-tools development community feels strongly
about perpetuating old browsers (and old web standards) then isn't it about
time for that community to provide tools to hide the details? When will
Python, and for sure Zope, have built-in browser detection and formatting
support driven by some sort of meta format that let's us application
developers get on with developing applications?
Bill
"The commandments of the LORD are right, bringing joy to the heart. The
commands of the LORD are clear, giving insight to life . . . For this is
the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are
not burdensome." (Psalm 19:8, 1John
5:3) <http://torahteacher.com/>torahteacher.com
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At 12:47 AM 4/5/02 -0500, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>I've spent more time making the
Python docs work in NS4 than making them look good in more modern
browsers</blockquote><br>
This is sad but true. I still have Netscape 4 here for testing as
well. (I run into the same problem with other web technologies,
like Macromedia Flash. Yes, probably 97% of browsers do have a
Flash player installed, but what version? Many are still at Version
3.) Those "Download FREE upgrade" buttons may as well be
invisible.<br><br>
I don't think we should let Zope3 look ugly on old browsers, but isn't it
acceptable for it to look more modest? With careful use of CSS, it
is possible to let the older browsers "fail
gracefully".<br><br>
And it is amazing what can be done with very little CSS and lots of
images. The page at,
<a href="http://www.yabb.info/community/" eudora="autourl">http://www.yabb.info/community/</a>,
has 2 styles, no Javascript, and looks very respectable. But look
at all the GIF's.<br><br>
If the web-centric, software-tools development community feels strongly
about perpetuating old browsers (and old web standards) then isn't it
about time for that community to provide tools to hide the details?
When will Python, and for sure Zope, have built-in browser detection and
formatting support driven by some sort of meta format that let's us
application developers get on with developing applications?<br><br>
Bill<br>
<br><br>
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<font size=2>"The commandments of the LORD are right, bringing joy
to the heart. The commands of the LORD are clear, giving insight to life
. . . For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His
commandments are not burdensome." (Psalm 19:8, 1John
5:3)
<a href="http://torahteacher.com/">torahteacher.com<br>
</a></font></html>
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