Zope3, CMS, IDEs (was: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

[Seb Bacon]

Joachim Werner wrote:
> There are quite a few Zope-based CMS solutions out there, and most of 
> them are better than their commercial counterparts in many respects. But 
> if we had managed to start a joint CMS effort (other than CMF, which is 
> a failure by design) two or three years ago things would look even 
> better now.

It would be great to start something like a Zope3 CMS interest group up, 
to pool all our CMS experience - start collecting requirements, etc. 
Seems like a mighty large task, though :-)

I'd like to at least have a session on this topic at Europython.

> What we should work on in the future is development tools for Zope. If I 
> get the stuff I know about Zope 3 right it should be relatively easy to 
> write IDEs (or plugins for existing IDEs)...

I know it's said to be slow, but Eclipse has some pretty major momentum 
behind it... has anyone round here looked at it in detail?  I guess it 
requires you to write loads of Java to produce new plugins :-(

> Finally we need industry-strength performance. 
 > We are just lacking the performance (mostly thanks
> to Python being a beautiful, but not really fast language).

I disagree that performance is a problem in Zope 2.  With a combination 
of profiling to eliminate bottlenecks, ZEO, and Squid, Zope hums along 
beautifully.  We are consulting for a company that is in the process of 
replacing their Java front-end with Zope.  They have huge amounts of 
traffic, and are impressed with Zope's performance compared with their 
comparable Java system.

Seb

P.S. I don't agree with your pessimistic assessment of CMF, or Plone. 
They're both good at what they do.