[Zope-dev] Re: ConflictError's worthwhile to note?

[Jean-Marc Orliaguet]

Dieter Maurer wrote:

>Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote at 2005-12-6 10:59 +0100:
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>>But aren't you looking for some sort of application profiler? or some 
>>sort of benchmarker? One could argue that slowly rendered pages are sign 
>>that the application is badly designed too, still you wouldn't want to 
>>see in the log file:
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>You err: I do want to see them in the logfile and
>I stole Florents idea to use "threadframe" (in his "DeadlockDebugger")
>to include a traceback for long running requests in the logfile.
>This way, it is
>easy not only to identify long running requests but also to
>get hints where they are spending their time...
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>You will not believe how fast this has eliminated our remaining
>long running requests and especially to track down
>a non deterministic rarely occuring apparent deadlock situation...
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>Thus, I can *very* strongly recommend to include such logging entries :-)
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Absolutely, this is called "debugging an application" (=> DEBUG, TRACE). 
Our sysadms are not really interested in this kind of info. They want to 
know if some action should be taken or not and messages such as these 
are misleading. If Florent mentionned that customers are calling to ask, 
obviously there is a problem.

>>INFO: the request took more than 2 seconds to be fullfilled (this has 
>>occured 10 times already)
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>I agree with you about such stupid log entries.
>And your argument also holds for the stupid "ConflictError" log entries
>that Zope used to emit.
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>But, we use our own Zope. And our Zope learned very early to emit
>informative "ConflictError" log entries -- those that show
>*which* object caused the "ConflictError".
>These log entries gave valuable hints on how to improve our application.
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Sure, but I think that you are both developer and sysadm at the same 
time. This is not the case everywhere.

>It is this experience that lets me argue for INFO level
>"ConflictError" log entries.
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>By the way, I can be quite calm: whatever the Zope community
>might decide: our Zope will continue to log "ConflictError"
>messages at INFO level because we are interested to get early
>indications that potential problems crept into our application...
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Absolutely, I don't deny it. This is valuable information for developers.

/JM