[Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

[Andreas Jung]

--On Samstag, 19. März 2005 18:15 Uhr +0100 Martijn Faassen 
<faassen at infrae.com> wrote:

> No debate with doing an alpha, though. There are likely to be more kinks
> to be worked out indeed.


I have update the 2.8 wiki with the planned release schedule.

>
> I'd prefer a shorter cycle, with an alpha 2 this month, a beta in april,
> and a release at the latest in may. I would also very much like to have a
> release date set and committed to. I don't like to hear "hopefully a
> final version in Q2" and such estimates in relation to Zope releases; it
> almost *invites* further delays.

The latest delays are basically caused by missing contributions from the 
community.
Since 2.8a1 in October 2004 most fixes were made by Tim, Jim, Stefan Holek 
and myself.

>
> We must face that in practice most testing by the wider community will
> happen *after* the release anyway. I also would like to add that core
> Plone hackers, core Silva hackers, and core CPS hackers were all at the
> sprint in Paris and *already* did significant testing. In addition, both
> Nuxeo and Infrae are using Five in a number of a active development
> projects at the moment, and Enfold has in fact already been in
> *production* with Five since last year. This stuff is being tested.

You are arguing with the Z3/Five hat on. Having a reliable Zope 2.8 version
with MVCC support is much more important to most people than having a 
perfect
Five support. So the primary goal of the Zope 2.8 release is to have a 
stable successor release
for Zope 2.7.

>
> I don't expect people will have a lot of time to do extensive testing
> after the sprint, anyhow. Giving people more time to do testing won't
> actually encourage them doing anything, as they can always wait until
> later. Setting release dates is the best bet at getting people to do it.
> Especially if we show we're committed.

I hope everyone is really commited. We'll see how far we can get with this 
approach.

Andreas
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