[Zope-dev] Re: I Like ZClasses as a separate product, I like Democracy Better

[Philipp von Weitershausen]

Christopher Lozinski wrote:
> I do like the idea of ZClasses as a separate product.

Good! Then let's move it out of the Zope 2 trunk.

> Actually I think all of Zope should be an assembly of separate products.
> I would love to see multiple flavors of Zope each as an assembly of 
> separate products.
> 
> If we make ZClasses a separate product,  does that mean we can get our 
> own mailing list for ZClasses.  Maybe a separate web site,  wiki, etc?
> 
> Maybe the 4 or 5 companies who care about ZClasses can get together and 
> fund the upgrade.

That'd be great.

> Accordingly, this rapid evolution of Zope, to make it compatible with
> Zope 3 drives a lot of us nuts. We would prefer to just see a stable
> Zope 2, and an incompatible Zope 3.

If you want a stable Zope 2, take Zope 2.8.x and stick with it (and 
possibly maintain it). Many other Zope users actually want to use more 
and more of the Zope 3 Component Architecture and some of its features 
in Zope 2. So, this evolution is happening "by popular demand", not just 
because we like driving you nuts.

Oh, and by the way, we do try to provide backward-compatibility. The 
ZClass case really is an (unfortunate) exception. I wish I even knew 
what the problem was with them (and I get the feeling most of this 
discussion could've been avoided if someone who cared about ZClasses 
actually looked into them and provided by some useful info, and that 
that had perhaps happened a bit earlier than, say, more than 9 months 
after that problem was introduced).

> But I get no say in the matter.

Well, you posted your thoughts on this list. That's what the rest of us 
do as well. So, I don't see how you "get no say".

> Open source is good, democratic source would be better.

We write proposals and we often vote on things. You're welcome to give 
your input at any time. Incidentally, Zope 2.9 has been out for more 
than 9 months and now you're raising the ZClass issue... This is 
something that could've been brought up during the 2.9 beta phase. Why 
should we even bother with beta releases if they don't get tested???