[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?
Jim Fulton
jim at zope.com
Thu Nov 1 09:17:14 EDT 2007
On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung <lists at zopyx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The recommendation is still "System python is evil, evil,
>> evil" (quoting
>> Jim).
>
> Sure, but if you ever want to be able to tell users to do:
>
> easy_install plone
>
> to get their Plone site, it's a necessary evil evil evil. ;)
So don't do that. Plone is an application (afaik) not a library. I
thought Plone had an installer that installed a local Python.
> We generally encourage not to use the system Python in everything
> we ship (Windows, Mac and Unified installers all ship their own
> Python)
Cool. Note that I think this problem will get worse as system
packages include more and more of the packages we use. I read
yesterday that the Python in Mac OS X Leopard includes zope.interface.
> — but I really hope we won't be stuck with Python 2.4 after the
> world has moved on to Python 2.5 and 2.6.
This is really a separate issue. I hope we won't either.
Unfortunately, supporting them is non-trivial, I think we've made a
lot of progress.
> I agree that for proper deployments, you shouldn't use the system
> Python, but there's the case of letting people get started with
> Plone easily from their Ubuntu or Mac OS X (Leopard ships with
> Python 2.5 and easy_install by default) — we should be able to let
> them do that too.
I don't agree. easy_install is really not well suited to installing
applications IMO. I think an installer is a better idea for
installing applications, for lots of reasons.
Jim
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Jim Fulton
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