[Zope-dev] Re: paver: buildout is utterly doomed

[Martin Aspeli]

Martijn Faassen wrote:

> You Can Save Buildout!
> 
> So, who is up to make a nice clean looking website and a few tutorials 
> for buildout? It needs a website. Buildout has been around for a few 
> years without a proper website already, Paver for 5 minutes and it's got 
> one. I'm not going to do it, but someone should.

IMHO, we could feasibly fit this into 
http://zode01.lovelysystems.com/projects if someone wants to own the 
content and the Zope Foundation doesn't mind. If people prefer it to be 
separate, that'd be fine of course.

I think it'd take:

  - a quick overview
  - an install guide
  - a couple of deeper examples
  - a few pages of documentation

> Just to be sure, I certainly *won't* be doing this. Jim won't either, 
> and I don't expect it from him. Let him write great code, not make 
> websites. So don't sit back and hope someone else will do it, as they 
> won't.

This is all too true and goes for the zope.org revitilisation efforts 
too. I've promised to help shepherd and provide infrastructure, but we 
need people to write content now. :)

> If nobody else can bother to step up, Paver probably deserves to 
> win. If you're intereested, I think we already have a nice buildout for 
> deploying grok.zope.org that can probably be adapted. The repoze people 
> have a nice site too, so you could go ask there.

The Paver site seems based on the doc generation thing that the new docs 
on python.org use.

> Alternatively we start to figure out how to convert our buildouts to 
> Paver. :)

I'd argue that the build system isn't quite as important as all that. We 
should ensure our packages work properly any setuptools-capable 
environment. Building and deployment will always be project-specific to 
a certain extent.

However, I think we (including Plone) have a lot vested in zc.buildout 
and I think it is worth presenting it in the proper way.

Martin

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