[Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.

[Martijn Faassen]

Lennart Regebro wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:06, Gary Poster <gary.poster at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, again, in sum, I propose that this discussion should simply be reduced
>> to a rename to start with: Zope 3, as defined by the KGS -> Zope Toolkit.
> 
> As I understand it (but Martijn may correct me) the Zope Toolkit will
> have it's own KGS which is significantly smaller than the Zope 3 KGS,
> and not useable as an app server by itself. I would like to see a
> renaming of the Zope 3 KGS, but not to Zope Toolkit, as it's a subset.

Yes, the Zope 3 KGS is a superset of the Zope Toolkit KGS.

I'll note that the Zope 3 KGS locks down more than is traditionally 
considered "Zope 3 proper", such as z3c.form. I don't see a problem with 
this though. Eventually I'd like us to develop a pattern of mixing and 
matching KGSes, where you'd have the z3c.form KGS next to the Zope 
Toolkit KGS.

My initial goal is to at least give some time for people to crystallize 
a new concept of what "Zope 3" is in the light of the Zope Toolkit. 
Gary's formulation reflects the idea that the Zope Toolkit has the role 
to support people to build things (frameworks, apps) on it. Is Zope 3 as 
people think of it really nothing more than the Zope toolkit? We'll be 
finding out over time, I guess.

Whether "Zope 3", the "whatever remains when the Zope Toolkit is taken 
away form it", should be renamed to something else is another 
discussion. I'd just like to say that changing or dumping a name is hard 
and fraught with risks. I'd to give "Zope 3" whatever it is a bit more 
chance to organize itself and define itself. Perhaps it can't, and 
that'll be fine too.

If "Zope 3" hasn't organized itself in, say, half a year, independently 
from the Zope Toolkit, in a way like Zope 2 and Grok are organized, we 
can conclude then that the concept of that "whole" is dead and take the 
appropriate action. But perhaps history will go very differently.

I put a mark in my calendar for October to reconsider the future of the 
name "Zope 3" then.

Regards,

Martijn