[Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.file/trunk/ Update package mailing list address. Remove zpkg stuff.

[Benji York]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Tres Seaver <tseaver at palladion.com> wrote:
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> Martijn Faassen wrote:
>> Baiju M wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Dan Korostelev <nadako at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 2009/3/2 Tres Seaver <tseaver at palladion.com>:
>>>>>>> -<include package="zope.file"/>
>>>>>> I believe people still use the ZCML "slug" files like the above.
>>>>> They certainly aren't related to 'zpkg'.  The intent of the slugs was to
>>>>> allow for something like 'sites-available' / 'sites-enabled' (the
>>>>> pattern in a stock Debian Apache2 install).
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is particularly unfortunate to remove support for explicit,
>>>>> granular configuration at the same time as folks seem to be jumping to
>>>>> implicit (aka "majyk") tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please revert this part of the change.
>>>> I just reverted the change, however, I don't think that the "slug"
>>>> files are useful anymore.
>>> I cannot see similar slugs in other packages either.
>>
>> Agreed. I don't understand Tres's or Benji's point either; thanks to
>> buildout we've left such slugs long behind us I thought. Typically
>> people would symlink these into an old old installation of Zope 3 (or
>> copy them over).
>>
>> Explicit granular configuration isn't broken at all; if you want to
>> explicitly include zope.file, you include its configure.zcml, not its
>> "zope.file-configure.zcml".
>>
>> Unless Tres comes back with some convincing explanation soon, please do
>> get rid of this stuff.
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> Those files exist to allow for a use case we may have abandoned, which
> is allowing packages to be installed in such a way that a tool could
> help users enable / disable their configurations, without mutating
> something like 'site.zcml'.  The folks who might have that usecase are
> those who package zope3 components for deployment outside buildout (as
> .deb / .rpm, etc.)

> I don't know if there is such an audience;  Benji also pointed out that
> he thought there were such folks.

I don't doubt there are still at least a few, but I also don't think we
are supporting that use case very well moving forward.  We just need to
make an explicit decision to drop support, and then we can remove the
slug files.

> My initial reaction to Dan's removal
> was that the checkin message ("remove zpkg stuff") had nothing to do
> with that particular change:  'zpkg' was entirely separate from slugs.

Same here.
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Benji York
Senior Software Engineer
Zope Corporation