[Zope-dev] Minutes from this weeks meeting

[Ross J. Reedstrom]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:31:32PM +0200, Christian Theune wrote:
> On 04/15/2010 11:27 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > On 2010-4-15 17:59, Christian Theune wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> here's the minutes. As I've been adventurous, I'll add a few comments:
> >>
> >> * I've started diving into the matter of how to manage items that we
> >> park/defer/postpone/wait for and thus started using an online system.
> >> (The only one I was able to find anyway.)
> >>
> >> * The output is a PDF which is currently a bit messy as I wanted to get
> >> rid of my text files that had the open issues sitting in there and
> >> thus had to add all of them to our agenda on Tuesday and then defer
> >> them. I think next week will become less noisy.
> >
> > Will next week be text again?
> 
> Probably not - the system currently only allows for PDF output, but I've 
> mailed them a question about getting plain text.

I've attached the output of pdftotext (from xpdf-utils on a debian
system) Seems pretty clean to me. Long lines aren't wrapped (a quick
pass through fmt seems to do little damage, though: attached as well).

I'm a great fan of the IRC meetings and the notes, by the way: any tool
that helps you get these done is a good thing.  However, text is so much
more flexible for these reports to the list: the followup quoting issue
alone is a big one.

Ross
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Zope Developers
Meeting date: Location: Purpose/Notes: Chaired by: Minutes rec. by: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 from 3:00 PM to 3:30 PM irc://#zope Regular scheduled meeting Christian Theune Christian Theune

Attendance:
Present: Christian Theune Regrets: Absent: Late:

Guests:
(none)

Meeting Documents:
(no documents)

Meeting Minutes: 1. Committee business
Christian Theune Discussion about the KGS 3.4.1 was included into the agenda by request of Adam Groszer.

1.1. Review Agenda

Launchpad bug management issues were included into the agenda by request of Tres Seaver. Item Status: Completed

2. Old business
2.1. Upcoming bug day
Announcements have been send out to zope-dev, although there hasn't been much feedback. Tres reported having had a mini-bugdy by himself in between and that he has been experimenting with using bzr (and other DVCS') against the SVN server to allow others more easily to contribute without having to directly sign an agreement. Some documentation about this is available here: http://svn.repoze.org/docs/repoze/HACKING.rst Adam reported he'd be available for mentoring the bug day as did Christian Theune. Tres' will be around for at least part of the day. Otherwise we'll wait for the bug day to come. Item Status: Completed

2.2. Resurrecting "sprint schedule" page
Adam Groszer wondered whether we can have something that makes upcoming sprints more visible to developers. We decided to merge this topic into the next item (General calendar). Item Status: Completed

2.3. Calendar for Zope-related events
We'd like to see a general calendar that includes all kinds of Zope-related events (Sprints, Conferences, ...). As Jan Smith (VP Zope Foundation) is already working on a proposal for a general calendar we decided to
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wait for her until after the next ZF board meeting. Item Status: Deferred: 4/30/2010

2.4. Test runners/nightly builds
We haven't had input on this topic itself. (Personally having a "how are we doing?" status check every now and then would be nice). Item Status: Parked

2.4.1. List of projects/platforms/... for guaranteed builds
We need to define the combinations of projects/platforms/Python versions etc. that we want to give a guarantee that our builds work. Adam Groszer recommended including Windows 64 into the list of platforms. Item Status: Parked

2.5. Restructuring the LP packages/bug trackers
Tres' asked to stop using a single central bug tracker but split of bug tracking so that each ZTK package has its own bug tracker on LP. One of the problems of the current situation is that we get bug reports at inappropriate places. We already discussed this before but were uncomfortable with doing this right away and intended to temporarily use a central bug tracker for ZTK and then splitting of. Also, there was previous work by Christian Theune from last EuroPython where he started to create projects but got caught up in details and didn't finish. Tres' proposed to assist with the transition and Christian Theune offered to help as well. They intend to do the cleanup and start triaging before the upcoming bug day. In case of hitting stumbling blocks we'll ask Sidnei and Gary for help as they're part of the LP team. Item Status: Deferred: 4/27/2010

2.6. Release KGS 3.4.1
Adam Groszer is trying to get a 3.4.1 release of the KGS out. He has proposed versions to change on the mailinglist and would like to get feedback from the other developers. Please feel invited to comment on the mailing list - otherwise silence is consent. Some people who might be specifically interested and could be contacted directly were named: Launchpad (Sidnei/Gary/Jonathan Lange), mgedmin, ccomb. Item Status: Completed

2.7. Automatic binary egg builds for windows
Item Status: Parked

2.7.1. Preparing a reusable AMI
Tres' reported that Sidnei has a 64-bit AMI image working that can build binary eggs. He's currently waiting for the EC account so he can turn over the keys. Item Status: Deferred: 4/30/2010

2.7.2. Getting access for developers to Windows machines
The ZF has been approached about financing EC2 instances. We're waiting for feedback on this. Item Status: Deferred: 4/30/2010

2.7.3. Acquire Visual Studio license
Needed for building for Python 2.4 (and 2.5?). Tres' is trying to contact MS for their Open Source support program but hasn't heard anything yet.

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Item Status: Parked

2.8. Triage Z3 bugs into appropriate ZTK bug trackers
After that we should somehow "close" the Z3 bug tracker. Waiting for restructuring of LP to happen. Item Status: Deferred: 4/24/2010

2.9. Towards a ZTK release
Item Status: Parked

2.9.1. Establish ZTK release engineering team
Include representatives from Z2, grok, BB Item Status: Parked

Christian Theune

2.9.2. Documentation
Item Status: Parked

2.9.3. Release scope
Item Status: Parked Christian Theune We want a second person that assists Christian Theune with the weekly meetings and takes over in case he is unavailable. Item Status: Parked

2.10. Find second person to chair weekly meetings

2.11. Ponder restructuring the ZTK
Chris McDonough: Pondering *some* (re-)structuring of the ZTK to allow for better maintenance/release management/communication/marketing. Item Status: Parked

3. New business
No New business

4. Committee business
No Committee business

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Zope Developers Meeting date: Location: Purpose/Notes: Chaired by:
Minutes rec. by: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 from 3:00 PM to 3:30 PM
irc://#zope Regular scheduled meeting Christian Theune Christian Theune

Attendance: Present: Christian Theune Regrets: Absent: Late:

Guests: (none)

Meeting Documents: (no documents)

Meeting Minutes: 1. Committee business Christian Theune Discussion about
the KGS 3.4.1 was included into the agenda by request of Adam Groszer.

1.1. Review Agenda

Launchpad bug management issues were included into the agenda by request
of Tres Seaver. Item Status: Completed

2. Old business 2.1. Upcoming bug day Announcements have been send out
to zope-dev, although there hasn't been much feedback. Tres reported
having had a mini-bugdy by himself in between and that he has been
experimenting with using bzr (and other DVCS') against the SVN server
to allow others more easily to contribute without having to directly
sign an agreement. Some documentation about this is available here:
http://svn.repoze.org/docs/repoze/HACKING.rst Adam reported he'd be
available for mentoring the bug day as did Christian Theune. Tres'
will be around for at least part of the day. Otherwise we'll wait for
the bug day to come. Item Status: Completed

2.2. Resurrecting "sprint schedule" page Adam Groszer wondered whether
we can have something that makes upcoming sprints more visible to
developers. We decided to merge this topic into the next item (General
calendar). Item Status: Completed

2.3. Calendar for Zope-related events We'd like to see a general calendar
that includes all kinds of Zope-related events (Sprints, Conferences,
...). As Jan Smith (VP Zope Foundation) is already working on a proposal
for a general calendar we decided to Page 1 of 3 Printed: 4/15/2010

wait for her until after the next ZF board meeting. Item Status:
Deferred: 4/30/2010

2.4. Test runners/nightly builds We haven't had input on this topic
itself. (Personally having a "how are we doing?" status check every now
and then would be nice). Item Status: Parked

2.4.1. List of projects/platforms/... for guaranteed builds We need to
define the combinations of projects/platforms/Python versions etc. that
we want to give a guarantee that our builds work. Adam Groszer recommended
including Windows 64 into the list of platforms. Item Status: Parked

2.5. Restructuring the LP packages/bug trackers Tres' asked to stop using
a single central bug tracker but split of bug tracking so that each
ZTK package has its own bug tracker on LP. One of the problems of the
current situation is that we get bug reports at inappropriate places. We
already discussed this before but were uncomfortable with doing this
right away and intended to temporarily use a central bug tracker for
ZTK and then splitting of. Also, there was previous work by Christian
Theune from last EuroPython where he started to create projects but got
caught up in details and didn't finish. Tres' proposed to assist with
the transition and Christian Theune offered to help as well. They intend
to do the cleanup and start triaging before the upcoming bug day. In
case of hitting stumbling blocks we'll ask Sidnei and Gary for help as
they're part of the LP team. Item Status: Deferred: 4/27/2010

2.6. Release KGS 3.4.1 Adam Groszer is trying to get a 3.4.1 release of
the KGS out. He has proposed versions to change on the mailinglist and
would like to get feedback from the other developers. Please feel invited
to comment on the mailing list - otherwise silence is consent. Some
people who might be specifically interested and could be contacted
directly were named: Launchpad (Sidnei/Gary/Jonathan Lange), mgedmin,
ccomb. Item Status: Completed

2.7. Automatic binary egg builds for windows Item Status: Parked

2.7.1. Preparing a reusable AMI Tres' reported that Sidnei has a 64-bit
AMI image working that can build binary eggs. He's currently waiting
for the EC account so he can turn over the keys. Item Status: Deferred:
4/30/2010

2.7.2. Getting access for developers to Windows machines The ZF has been
approached about financing EC2 instances. We're waiting for feedback on
this. Item Status: Deferred: 4/30/2010

2.7.3. Acquire Visual Studio license Needed for building for Python 2.4
(and 2.5?). Tres' is trying to contact MS for their Open Source support
program but hasn't heard anything yet.

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Item Status: Parked

2.8. Triage Z3 bugs into appropriate ZTK bug trackers After that we
should somehow "close" the Z3 bug tracker. Waiting for restructuring of
LP to happen. Item Status: Deferred: 4/24/2010

2.9. Towards a ZTK release Item Status: Parked

2.9.1. Establish ZTK release engineering team Include representatives
from Z2, grok, BB Item Status: Parked

Christian Theune

2.9.2. Documentation Item Status: Parked

2.9.3. Release scope Item Status: Parked Christian Theune We want a
second person that assists Christian Theune with the weekly meetings
and takes over in case he is unavailable. Item Status: Parked

2.10. Find second person to chair weekly meetings

2.11. Ponder restructuring the ZTK Chris McDonough: Pondering *some*
(re-)structuring of the ZTK to allow for better maintenance/release
management/communication/marketing. Item Status: Parked

3. New business No New business

4. Committee business No Committee business

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