[ZWeb] Re: IA for zope.org

[seb bacon]

On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 13:56, Paul Everitt wrote: 
> 
> Regarding Lennart's note and Casey's response...
> 
> Lennart proposed a new.zope.org IA with audience across the top and 
> resource type down the left.  In general I agree, but I have a couple of 
> issues on it.
> 
> 1) Foremost, I think the audience menu will not be the one people prefer 
> to see on every page.  Does this mean the resource type menu will be on 
> all subordinate pages in the site?  If so, a number of people that want 
> no columns on content pages will be irritated.  If not, then the most 
> used links will require a trip to the home page.
Yes, the audience menu is mostly important from the front page. 
However, I think it is really important, at least for newbies: 

1) For complete newbies, who have yet to orient themselves *at all*, it
provides an anchor 
2) Ditto for programmers who don't need hand-holding but still have no
orientation 

The survey results suggested that a large number of people who use Zope
are complete novices with respect to web programming, and are therefore
likely to require a lot of hand-holding, and some good general resources
(or links to them).

> 2) The navigation menu at the top of the page, as proposed below, leaves 
> out some important items that I think are mandatory: home, search [____] 
> (go), and help.  (site map is optional).  If you add these items in, 
> then the top of the page starts getting crowded and distracting. 
> Opinions or sugestions?

I agree that those links are mandatory.  We could fit in the printer link 
mentioned elsewhere into the top of the content area - this is a common 
pattern.

If the audience entry points are only to be on the front page, then perhaps
they could be incorporated into the body.  I have read a usability survey
which suggested that the place peoples' eyes are draw to first is the area
on the right where the Zope news currently is.  Perhaps we could make room
for the audience entry points here?  However, a number of people liked the
news in that location...

seb

> 
> --Paul
> 
> Casey Duncan wrote:
> > I like. I do see a definite distinction between Webmasters and Developers. My 
> > only concern with it is that it might cause initial confusion between what it 
> > and dev.zope.org is for. I'm not thinking of a better way to make this 
> > distinction other than stating the difference when someone clicks on 
> > Developers thinking they will find info on core dev there. Maybe "Zope 
> > Core Development" can be a link from there to dev.zope.org.
> > 
> > I think this is a very good start though, and here are some potential 
> > additions: 
> > 
> > Under webmasters, a "Zope managment" link to relevant resources for using the 
> > ZMI, WebDAV and FTP might be useful...
> > 
> > Under community I would add "Zope Sites" for community sites like 
> > ZopeZen/ZopeNewbies et al.
> > 
> > Also under community, there should be a "Contribute" link with content on 
> > projects, initiatives and ideas that need resources. Perhaps these can be 
> > trackers, or some sort of "workgroup" functionality (later perhaps).
> > 
> > Under Developers it would be nice to have an "Examples" category. Obviously 
> > we need content for this. I volunteer to make some.
> > 
> > -Casey
> > 
> > P.S. Lets try to make the search functionality *useful* too 8*)
> > 
> > On Monday 04 March 2002 05:00 pm, Lennart Regebro allegedly wrote:
> > 
> >>I wouldn't mind having two different paths to the content, one according to
> >>type, and one on the intended audience. It would require two separate
> >>menus, and to make it clear that they are unrelated one should in that case
> >>be organized vertically and one horizontally. Something like this:
> >>
> >>-----------------
> >>BIG
> >>ZOPE       Newbies     Webmasters    Developers     Members    Search
> >>LOGO
> >>
> >>News
> >>Documentation
> >>   How-To's
> >>   Technical features
> >>   The Zope Book
> >>   Books in print
> >>Download
> >>   Newest Zope
> >>   Latest beta
> >>   Featured products
> >>   Products
> >>Community
> >>   Members
> >>   Mailing list
> >>   Archives
> >>------------------
> >>
> >>Under "Newbies" you would find things like:
> >>Introduction/What is Zope
> >>Getting started
> >>
> >>Under Webmasters:
> >>DTML-Manual (ie direct link to the relevant parts of the Zope book, I
> >>guess) ZPT-manuals (------"-------)
> >>Most popular products
> >>Frequently asked questions
> >>Join the zope-list
> >>
> >>Under Developers:
> >>Getting started with ZClasses
> >>Setting up a good python development environment
> >>ZClasses manual
> >>Developers manual
> >>Join the zope-list
> >>
> >>Under Members:
> >>Join
> >>Login
> >>
> >>Under Search:
> >>Possibility to search only how-tos, only products and so on...
> >>
> >>
> >>I do see a difference between "webmasters" and "developers", ie between the
> >>people that create sites and the people that create products. Maybe this
> >>difference doesn't really exist, but I do think that there is a huge
> >>difference between these two things, and it would be quite possible to
> >>split this.
> >>
> > 
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