[ZWeb] FYI: A little bit of progress

[Paul Everitt]

I think Lennart sent this to zope@zope.org instead of zope-web.  Before 
we get the vast unwashed masses to start chiming in, I thought I'd 
reparent the conversation. :^)

Lennart, do you have any time to change your mockup to reflect some of 
the things below?

--Paul

Lennart Regebro wrote:
> From: "Paul Everitt" <paul@zope.com>
> 
>>I fully expect us do go through a brutal refactoring stage, removing as
>>much as possible.
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> 
> That's good, because then we can claim we are agile. :-)
> 
> 
>>You're obviously not that keen on the sponsorship thingy. :^)
> 
> 
> Nah, It just ended up far down on my wishlist. :-)
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> 
>>I think you've found a good description of the right column: things that
>>are time-specific.
> 
> 
> Nope. *You* found the description. I just realized that announcements and
> news are almost the same thing. :-)
> 
> 
>>Correspondingly, things that should change
>>frequently.  The corollary, of course, is that material in the middle
>>content area should change rarely.
>>
>>Agreed?
> 
> 
> Sounds like a good idea.
> 
> 
>>Looks good to me.  We might be stuck with an imbalance, though.  The
>>right column might go down much further if we add in, for instance, the
>>five most recent products.
> 
> 
> OK, so it needs to be wider, and the summary part maybe a bit shorter. The
> examples are pretty long. Two rows of text for each entry should be enough.
> 
> 
>>How's this for a suggestion: change it from Products to simply
>>Resources.  Thus, new documentation, articles, case studies, whatever
>>can flow through.
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> 
> Yeah, good idea!
> 
> 
>>Another suggestion: if we actually *do* produce a ratings system, move
>>it from a "latest resources" focus to "top resources".
>>
>>I have a dual goal here:
>>
>>a. Bring important information to the attention of the regular visitor.
>>
>>b. Give a little net.fame to contributors (whether software, docs,
>>marketing, whatever).
>>
>>The idea of "Top Whatever" could then extend into each section page,
>>giving net.fame at each stage.  For instance, much later on (when we
>>have the time to do so), I'd love to highlight the top CVS contributors
>>each week.
> 
> 
> I'm totally into this type of communities, with ratings on, well,
> everything, and net.fame + priviligies to go with it. It's a lot of work to
> do, though, but it's a good goal to strive for long term.
> 
> 
>>BTW, you gotta bail on the Newbies term.  It's a bit condescending.
> 
> 
> OK. Dummies? :-)
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> 
>>I think I'd like an alternative presentation:
>>
>>Info For
>>---------
>>o _New Users_   New to Zope, but familiar with website development.
>>   _Intro_, _About Python_, _Web Programming_
>>
>>o _Developers_  Experienced in Python, Zope, or other programming.
>>   _ Products_, _Using CVS_, _Bug Days_
>>
>>etc.
> 
> 
> Looks good. We need to agree on which target audience splits to do, and what
> to call them. But thats a whole different thread.
> 
> 
>>Third, the dotted vertical line in the left margin of the content area
>>was introduced by Andrew Sawyers on Friday.  It isn't in the mockups
>>Olivier and Nicolas produced.  We should get some agreement before
>>keeping them.
> 
> 
> I'd like one dotted line between each column. The alternative is to have
> larger spaces inbetween, and that takes up valuable space. But then, I'm not
> any good at design.
> 
> 
>>We could make it easier to comment on things by embedding a little form
>>in the mockups at the bottom:
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> 
> Thats a very neat idea!
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>