The new site looks GREAT... when it loads, that is :-( i can ping www.zope.org in 20 ms, but loading a page (ANY page) takes 30 seconds or more. Are the servers that heavily loaded? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's DOOKIE BLOODLOSS! (random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)