[ZWeb] "NZO box" on front page
Andrew Sawyers
andrew at zope.com
Fri Aug 20 12:49:14 EDT 2004
Our postfix is fast and fine; it's that messages are not even being
delivered to postfix from mailman due to the observations I described in
my previous message. I suppose we won't argue semantics - Lets just
say, mailman is flakey :)
In any case, when we had experienced all the problems with the
comingling of m.z.o and m.p.o I sent a bunch of emails to postmaster at p.o
- to no avail. Our best hope is someone knows mailman on high volume
sites better then Jens or I.
It could be even corruption with a single list as far as I know; I just
don't know and have little time to spelunk m.z.o We spent several
hours and are certain the problem is in qfiles/out - I'll see if I
can look into single mta deliveries so that groups aren't possibly being
tossed due to a single recipient failure, as I'm guessing that might be
what could be happening. I'm not even certain who manages the lists;
but it would sure help if that individual or individuals could assist.
Andrew
Tim Peters wrote:
> [Andrew Sawyers]
>
>>mail.zope.org is not exactly "flakey" --
>
>
> Well, I'm not sure what else to call posts showing up in a list archive that
> aren't received by the list subscribers, or posts just vanishing (which also
> occurs -- not in the archives, no bounce msgs, just gone). "Plain broken"
> seems too strong for that, provided it's rare.
>
> A consequence of the m.p.o/m.z.o split is that it seems the volunteers with
> major Mailman expertise ended up attached to m.p.o. m.p.o is fast and
> reliable now. FYI, I'll attach its email stats for yesterday.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't know anything about running Mailman. Maybe sending
> the symptoms you're seeing to postmaster at python.org could get some good
> advice? Very high loads sounds like the same symptom the combined m.[pz].o
> had up until the moment of the final divorce; m.p.o doesn't have that
> problem anymore, so they must have done *something* to cure it.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> [Pydotorg] Postfix log summaries for Aug 19
> From:
> <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> Date:
> Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:04:05 -0400
> To:
> <pydotorg at python.org>
>
> To:
> <pydotorg at python.org>
>
>
> Postfix log summaries for Aug 19
>
> Grand Totals
> ------------
> messages
>
> 306082 received
> 319732 delivered
> 162 forwarded
> 1965 deferred (2726 deferrals)
> 127 bounced
> 258388 rejected (44%)
> 842 reject warnings
> 0 held
> 0 discarded (0%)
>
> 1047m bytes received
> 1377m bytes delivered
> 485 senders
> 384 sending hosts/domains
> 6720 recipients
> 4284 recipient hosts/domains
>
> smtpd
>
> 335090 connections
> 12194 hosts/domains
> 6 avg. connect time (seconds)
> 540:42:31 total connect time
>
>
> Per-Hour Traffic Summary
> time received delivered deferred bounced rejected
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 00:00-01:00 22990 22858 2 0 11637
> 01:00-02:00 9816 10080 31 2 11775
> 02:00-03:00 6045 6751 1 8 12131
> 03:00-04:00 12999 11908 2575 8 11655
> 04:00-05:00 9283 8355 2 1 10774
> 05:00-06:00 6723 6701 1 0 7839
> 06:00-07:00 7524 7547 2 3 6692
> 07:00-08:00 5239 4073 9 2 7178
> 08:00-09:00 7095 18050 2 2 7935
> 09:00-10:00 10950 13775 1 1 9170
> 10:00-11:00 12383 13579 2 0 10337
> 11:00-12:00 9599 8420 22 4 10007
> 12:00-13:00 13128 12452 16 0 11165
> 13:00-14:00 10712 9081 2 4 11912
> 14:00-15:00 8543 7363 3 42 11532
> 15:00-16:00 11485 11568 2 7 13310
> 16:00-17:00 17539 18818 8 4 13409
> 17:00-18:00 27135 27908 21 21 13080
> 18:00-19:00 17404 16603 2 0 12900
> 19:00-20:00 19773 20378 0 1 11758
> 20:00-21:00 16714 18751 2 4 12306
> 21:00-22:00 18397 19797 2 5 12239
> 22:00-23:00 14604 14042 18 5 10801
> 23:00-24:00 10002 10874 0 3 7688
>
> Host/Domain Summary: Message Delivery (top 50)
> sent cnt bytes defers avg dly max dly host/domain
> -------- ------- ------- ------- ------- -----------
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>
> Host/Domain Summary: Messages Received (top 50)
> msg cnt bytes host/domain
> -------- ------- -----------
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> 29 126223 craneplumbing.ca
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> 20 47712 gmail.com
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> 15 59384 egenix.com
> 12 43849 ihug.co.nz
> 11 56296 lists.sourceforge.net
> 11 41721 wingware.com
> 10 27522 yahoo.com
> 9 74148 ocf.berkeley.edu
> 8 17196 blueyonder.co.uk
> 8 16961 tentra.com
> 7 22813 libexpat.org
> 7 20770 groups.msn.com
> 7 16688 v.loewis.de
> 6 23777 fuzzyorange.com
> 6 8591 planet.nl
> 5 26774 system.mail
> 5 26415 livinglogic.de
> 5 13625 peppermillcas.com
> 5 12360 click.cz
> 5 12013 rcn.com
> 5 10713 benlast.com
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> 4 12120 redivi.com
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> 4 9032 mac.com
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> 3 12713 eaglebrook.org
> 3 12518 skillsoft.com
> 3 11017 zeomega.com
> 3 10884 zope.com
>
> Per-Hour SMTPD Connection Summary
> hour connections time conn. avg./conn. max. time
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 00:00-01:00 16051 17:48:23 4s 482s
> 01:00-02:00 14444 16:16:48 4s 553s
> 02:00-03:00 14823 22:36:55 5s 1311s
> 03:00-04:00 14714 19:56:51 5s 524s
> 04:00-05:00 13333 22:16:57 6s 517s
> 05:00-06:00 10134 23:45:48 8s 1082s
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> 10:00-11:00 13731 20:56:42 5s 1082s
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> 12:00-13:00 14020 20:25:47 5s 811s
> 13:00-14:00 14930 21:02:29 5s 696s
> 14:00-15:00 14507 22:45:43 6s 3598s
> 15:00-16:00 16943 29:15:45 6s 2419s
> 16:00-17:00 17383 32:33:17 7s 3564s
> 17:00-18:00 18160 26:44:38 5s 713s
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> 20:00-21:00 15742 24:37:25 6s 1467s
> 21:00-22:00 16482 28:39:49 6s 3574s
> 22:00-23:00 14071 22:38:04 6s 856s
> 23:00-24:00 10234 20:20:38 7s 883s
>
> Host/Domain Summary: SMTPD Connections (top 50)
> connections time conn. avg./conn. max. time host/domain
> ----------- ---------- ---------- --------- -----------
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> 18892 3:04:38 1s 95s bag
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> 15511 4:18:52 1s 20s bevcomm.net
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> 8755 1:20:40 1s 23s
> AFontenayssB-152-1-38-232.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr
> 8575 8:43:34 4s 274s usadatanet.net
> 8039 5:25:26 2s 334s verizon.net
> 7500 4:01:20 2s 318s comcast.net
> 7197 4:02:34 2s 1333s pacbell.net
> 6883 4:22:39 2s 308s veloxzone.com.br
> 6437 0:20:24 0s 15s fastres.net
> 5249 2:00:46 1s 304s ameritech.net
> 3594 0:46:10 1s 11s networktel.net
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> 2603 1:14:13 2s 8s 201.129.100.113
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> 2110 0:21:02 1s 5s
> ASte-Genev-Bois-151-1-53-172.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr
> 1892 0:47:50 2s 49s classicnet.net
> 1778 0:20:25 1s 24s optonline.net
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> 1575 0:18:52 1s 10s cox.net
> 1553 0:43:51 2s 113s t-dialin.net
> 1509 2:25:20 6s 301s 148.244.198.114
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> 1238 1:47:55 5s 334s proxad.net
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> 1183 0:23:38 1s 21s 201.128.67.253
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> 1138 0:15:30 1s 4s 200.77.83.115
> 1083 26:05:19 87s 227s 165.139.84.1
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> 1030 0:59:43 3s 327s ntl.com
> 1011 0:30:30 2s 40s ttnet.net.tr
> 992 1:08:04 4s 309s swbell.net
> 903 0:29:29 2s 6s 201.129.100.64
> 864 0:06:12 0s 4s
> AMontsouris-151-1-47-144.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr
> 857 1:01:58 4s 306s qwest.net
> 839 0:53:16 4s 13s
> ANantes-252-1-5-7.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr
> 829 0:22:50 2s 6s
> AAubervilliers-152-1-4-47.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr
> 771 0:18:29 1s 4s
> AAubervilliers-152-1-11-92.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr
> 750 6:21:44 31s 331s smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl
>
> top 50 Senders by message count
> -------------------------------
> 222814 python at python.org
> 16156 none at bag.python.org
> 3257 mailman at python.org
> 2256 tutor at python.org
> 1307 web at python.org
> 738 spambayes at python.org
> 584 pythonmac at python.org
> 300 db at python.org
> 179 pythonce at python.org
> 158 patches at python.org
> 51 pydotorg at python.org
> 50 noreply at sourceforge.net
> 41 noreply at python.org
> 40 xml at python.org
> 30 c++ at python.org
> 29 navmse at craneplumbing.ca
> 20 python at m.gmane.org
> 15 mal at egenix.com
> 11 wingide at wingware.com
> 11 tameyer at ihug.co.nz
> 10 guido at python.org
> 10 tkinter at python.org
> 9 bac at ocf.berkeley.edu
> 8 dbl at tentra.com
> 8 psf at python.org
> 8 webmaster at python.org
> 8 alan.gauld at blueyonder.co.uk
> 7 tim.peters at gmail.com
> 7 autoresponse at groups.msn.com
> 7 martin at v.loewis.de
> 7 docutils at lists.sourceforge.net
> 7 dc at python.org
> 6 baypiggies at fuzzyorange.com
> 6 tim_one at users.sourceforge.net
> 6 jlgijsbers at planet.nl
> 6 expat at libexpat.org
> 5 ben at benlast.com
> 5 skip at mojam.com
> 5 matt at mondoinfo.com
> 5 wnvcole at peppermillcas.com
> 5 python at rcn.com
> 5 erikpiper at click.cz
> 5 walter at livinglogic.de
> 5 admin at system.mail
> 5 loewis at users.sourceforge.net
> 5 distutils at python.org
> 5 i18n at python.org
> 5 mailer at python.org
> 4 python at bernardlebel.com
> 4 uche.ogbuji at fourthought.com
>
> top 50 Recipients by message count
> ----------------------------------
> 671 skip at pobox.com
> 604 mizuno at yukiharu.com
> 603 mizuno at azabu.co.jp
> 584 walter at livinglogic.de
> 563 tismer at stackless.com
> 554 loader at loader.3322.org
> 507 tim.peters at gmail.com
> 489 mal at egenix.com
> 481 mlist at asesoft.ro
> 458 michaelr5 at mac.com
> 445 bradb at bbnet.ca
> 445 hyeshik at gmail.com
> 444 henriquesjl at yahoo.es
> 435 python_lists at freemail.hu
> 428 davida at activestate.com
> 425 andrewm at object-craft.com.au
> 423 erik at heneryd.com
> 423 lurker at free.net.ph
> 417 trentm at activestate.com
> 409 saifi_khan at gamebox.net
> 407 t-meyer at ihug.co.nz
> 405 jae+python at jerhard.org
> 403 lists at mjtsai.com
> 402 barry at wooz.org
> 400 niemeyer at conectiva.com
> 400 mak at trisoft.com.pl
> 399 kmead at cmsystems.org
> 399 rnd at onego.ru
> 399 baris at uludag.org.tr
> 397 ayose.cazorla at hispalinux.es
> 397 aau69800 at par.odn.ne.jp
> 397 whisper at oz.net
> 394 andymac at bullseye.apana.org.au
> 394 szabi at mplayerhq.hu
> 394 d+pydev at trit.org
> 391 stuart at stuartbishop.net
> 390 webmaster at beyond-thoughts.com
> 390 lists at webcrunchers.com
> 390 john.abel at pa.press.net
> 389 dr.lizou at gmail.com
> 389 gtalvola at nameconnector.com
> 382 ronaldoussoren at mac.com
> 382 lists at ghaering.de
> 381 zbir at urbanape.com
> 381 bdash at gmx.net
> 381 john at hazen.net
> 381 wsanchez at wsanchez.net
> 379 pinard at iro.umontreal.ca
> 378 fumanchu at amor.org
> 375 marklists at mceahern.com
>
> top 50 Senders by message size
> ------------------------------
> 902m python at python.org
> 89245k none at bag.python.org
> 20419k mailman at python.org
> 15219k tutor at python.org
> 5955k spambayes at python.org
> 5313k web at python.org
> 2966k pythonmac at python.org
> 1755k patches at python.org
> 1441k db at python.org
> 923k shapiro at menssana.org
> 602k pythonce at python.org
> 441247 pydotorg at python.org
> 337971 xml at python.org
> 324057 argrill at warnerpower.com
> 308975 noreply at sourceforge.net
> 253282 noreply at python.org
> 217738 c++ at python.org
> 126223 navmse at craneplumbing.ca
> 119090 barry at creosote.python.org
> 115698 jdahye at kordi.re.kr
> 114354 majordomo at sig.net
> 74148 bac at ocf.berkeley.edu
> 68976 mhammond at skippinet.com.au
> 68678 mspss at gto.net.om
> 67859 jph at emilia.engr.sgi.com
> 67297 python at m.gmane.org
> 59384 mal at egenix.com
> 49099 tkinter at python.org
> 48142 andrew.dolvig at freescale.com
> 46531 postmaster at python.org
> 46450 webmaster at python.org
> 44339 dc at python.org
> 43564 voteforbush at hotmail.com
> 43250 i18n at python.org
> 42651 en1 at aol.com
> 42337 estisanz at terra.es
> 42035 sales at pigeonforge.com
> 41721 wingide at wingware.com
> 41154 tameyer at ihug.co.nz
> 38515 docutils at lists.sourceforge.net
> 38160 mailer at filter02.mail.cornell.edu
> 34751 billr at smart.net
> 30310 europython at python.org
> 29395 psf at python.org
> 29160 anthonybaxter at users.sourceforge.net
> 28985 bgtees at hotmail.com
> 26774 admin at system.mail
> 26415 walter at livinglogic.de
> 23924 pythonmac at bounce.splio.com
> 23777 baypiggies at fuzzyorange.com
>
> top 50 Recipients by message size
> ---------------------------------
> 3049k barry at wooz.org
> 2856k skip at pobox.com
> 2575k mizuno at yukiharu.com
> 2565k mizuno at azabu.co.jp
> 2326k loader at loader.3322.org
> 2301k tismer at stackless.com
> 2221k walter at livinglogic.de
> 2167k tim.peters at gmail.com
> 2140k mal at egenix.com
> 2088k python-list-bounces+wtrenker=shaw.ca at bag.python.org
> 1958k mlist at asesoft.ro
> 1874k michaelr5 at mac.com
> 1866k tutor-bounces at bag.python.org
> 1822k hyeshik at gmail.com
> 1815k bradb at bbnet.ca
> 1774k python-list-bounces+twolabs=bigmir.net at bag.python.org
> 1687k davida at activestate.com
> 1663k trentm at activestate.com
> 1662k jeremy at alum.mit.edu
> 1645k bac at ocf.berkeley.edu
> 1641k henriquesjl at yahoo.es
> 1619k python_lists at freemail.hu
> 1610k python-list-bounces+acrraidx=lycos.es at bag.python.org
> 1609k lurker at free.net.ph
> 1608k erik at heneryd.com
> 1583k python-list-bounces+bany1=centrum.cz at bag.python.org
> 1573k python-list-bounces+soofern=msn.com at bag.python.org
> 1560k andrewm at object-craft.com.au
> 1550k john.abel at pa.press.net
> 1534k lists at mjtsai.com
> 1509k whisper at oz.net
> 1508k mak at trisoft.com.pl
> 1507k niemeyer at conectiva.com
> 1499k saifi_khan at gamebox.net
> 1494k webmaster at beyond-thoughts.com
> 1493k lists at webcrunchers.com
> 1487k t-meyer at ihug.co.nz
> 1481k ayose.cazorla at hispalinux.es
> 1475k aau69800 at par.odn.ne.jp
> 1465k python-list-bounces+home=techfreak.net at bag.python.org
> 1461k d+pydev at trit.org
> 1442k andymac at bullseye.apana.org.au
> 1440k szabi at mplayerhq.hu
> 1433k jae+python at jerhard.org
> 1423k dr.lizou at gmail.com
> 1420k python-list-bounces+sonjavanhoed=com02.com at bag.python.org
> 1414k baris at uludag.org.tr
> 1411k kmead at cmsystems.org
> 1410k python-list-bounces+premshree_python=yahoo.co.in at bag.python.org
> 1407k rnd at onego.ru
>
> message bounce detail (by relay)
> --------------------------------
> local (total: 54)
> 25 unknown user: "none"
> 22 unknown user: "/dev/null"
> 5 mail forwarding loop for python-announce-list at bag.python.org
> 1 unknown user: "administrator"
> 1 unknown user: "av engine"
> none (total: 11)
> 11 User unknown in virtual alias table
> smtp.xs4all.nl[194.109.6.51] (total: 62)
> 34 5.1.8 <InfoSec at mailscan.umc.com>... Domain of sender addres...
> 17 5.1.8 <CBPostmaster at cbmain.collegeboard.local>... Domain of...
> 3 5.1.8 <mspss at gto.net.om>... Domain of sender address mspss at ...
> 2 5.1.8 <Administrator at corp.zantaz.com>... Domain of sender a...
> 2 5.1.8 <symantec_antivir at mona.int>... Domain of sender addre...
> 1 5.1.8 <Symantec_AntiVirus_for_SMTP_Gateways at bj.ulead.com.tw...
> 1 5.1.8 <anti-virus at paris8.securite.transpac.fr>... Domain of...
> 1 5.1.8 <root at localhost.bmlv.gv.at>... Domain of sender addre...
> 1 5.1.8 <smadmin at netranew.eppco.co.ae>... Domain of sender ad...
>
> smtp delivery failures
> ----------------------
> connection refused (total: 19)
> 19 smtp.xs4all.nl
> connection timed out (total: 98)
> 98 smtp.xs4all.nl
> server dropped connection without sending the initial smtp greeting
> (total: 21)
> 21 smtp.xs4all.nl
>
> Warnings: none
>
> Fatal Errors: none
>
> Panics: none
>
> Master daemon messages: none
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