[ZWeb] Re: Zope.org

Hadar Pedhazur hadar at zope.com
Mon May 31 08:13:18 EDT 2004

Chris, thanks for bringing this up, it's too important a topic to let 
languish. We've been discussing this internally for the past week, so 
the timing is good to bring it up more broadly.

That said, this note is simply to acknowledge receipt and to set 
expectations of timing for a deeper response from us. Rob and I are 
both out of the office this week. We'll be together on Tue/Wed, so we 
can certainly discuss it, but we might not have a chance to respond in 
writing until late in the week, or early next week at the latest.

Again, thanks for bringing it up, and expect a response in no more 
than a week.

Of course, the above isn't meant to suppress comments in the meantime 
from anyone else who would like to weigh in with thoughts on the 
current problems, and possible solutions going forward!

P.S. Speaking only for me, I am subscribed to zope-annce at zope.org, but 
not to zope at zope.org or zope-web at zope.org, so if anyone continues this 
thread, I'd be very appreciative if you could continue to copy me 
directly, rather than just the lists.

Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> What can we do about Zope.org?
> I've heard so much about it's problems but so little seems to happen :-(
> The site seems to be totally unresponsive a fair bit of the time now, 
> which is pretty appalling in what should be the flagship of a stable and 
> reliable web application server.
> I know it was a less-than-minor hamper to the bug day on Friday that 
> people often couldn't view or update bugs due to Zope.org taking over a 
> minute to respond to requests, when it responded at all. There's also 
> the fact that it purports to run on a version of Zope with known 
> security issues (2.6.2)
> For once, I'm trying to approach this with an open mind so just wanted 
> to ask some questions:
> - What are the problems with Zope.org? Why does is appear to be so 
> unstable and unresponsive? (I could suggest why, but then I accept I 
> have an unpopular opinion at the base of that suggestion ;-)
> - What do people have to do to help out? I have a perceptionthat there 
> are people who want to help out but that they feel the barrier to entry 
> is too high. (For example, who can actually get in and restart the 
> clients, should they be suffering from memory bloat?)
> - Where should this be discussed? (zope-web at zope.org has been dead for 
> 4-6 months now)
> I hope the above can at least kick off some discussion but I'd really 
> like to see some solutions. I know Zope.org is a perenial problem, but 
> there's got to be a way we can sort it out...
> cheers,
> Chris

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