[ZWeb] Re: Grrr. zope.org wikis are evil.

[Jim Fulton]

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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> On 9 Oct 2006, at 17:10, Jim Fulton wrote:
>>>> I'll repeat that our commercial cluster is not the right place to host
>>>> zope.org.  We can't really give volunteers the access to do what 
>>>> they need to
>>>> do.
>>> Please explain why?  There is no commercial customers on the boxes 
>>> zope.org
>>> services are on, outside of the load balancer and squid, which are not
>>> necessary to make progress until things can be moved.
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>> Because to do what people want to do, they think they need full sudo.
>> I'm not sure this is necessary.  For example, it's possible that
>> it would be enough for many interesting tasks to give people
>> the ability to sudo to the user zope.  We could do that.
>>
>> Giving root access to those boxes is not a risk that we're willing
>> to take.
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> It's strange how that never used to be a problem before, and all of a 
> sudden it is. Jim, remember us exchanging emails in 2005 about providing 
> full sudo access for tasks like moving CMF from CVS to Subversion?

Nope, but I'll take you're word for it.

 > I
> still have that whole email exchange. There was no discussion at all 
> about full sudo access being a problem. Matter of fact you were all for 
> people stepping up to solve problems.

I still am.

> I would never have signed all those documents that gave me access as a 
> non-employee if I had known every root-access sysadmin task had to be 
> approved by ZC. If you take a look at http://www.zope.org/About there is 
> a specific systems admin group mentioned. That's what I thought I signed 
> up for. I guess I was mistaken.

This isn't my call.

I'm not going to judge whether it is right or wrong.

I'll just reiterate that zope.org needs to move.

Jim

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