[Zope] RE: [Zope-dev] The Product API is not easy to use!

Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:25:31 -0400

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Zeidner [mailto:jmz_phylogenic@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 3:07 PM
> To: michel@digicool.com
> Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] The Product API is not easy to use!
> 
> 
> 
>   Are there any licencesd products like Zope?
> 
>   For Instance:
> 
>     Enterprise Java Beans
>     WebLogic Server
>     Persistance
>     Vignette StoryServer
> 
>   -Josh Zeidner
> 

I'm not sure quite what your mean by 'licensed'.  Zope is licensed
software under the Zope Public License 1.0.

Do you mean commercial?

-Michel

> 
> 
> >From: Michel Pelletier <michel@digicool.com>
> >To: 'Josh Zeidner' <jmz_phylogenic@hotmail.com>, zope-dev@zope.org
> >Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] The Product API is not easy to use!
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:19:15 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Josh Zeidner [mailto:jmz_phylogenic@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 1:32 AM
> > > To: zope-dev@zope.org
> > > Subject: [Zope-dev] The Product API is not easy to use!
> > >
> > >
> > >   I have been trying to make my own Zope product and I am
> > > sorry to say that
> > > I have found it to be a daunting task.  Does anyone know
> > > where I can go to
> > > get better info?  Is there anyone who has created a product
> > > who is not
> > > working for Digital Creations?  Debugging facilities are
> > > non-existent and
> > > documentation is esoteric.  Should I say goodbye to Zope forever?
> > >
> >
> >For years the Apache module API was difficult to use and 
> undocumented.
> >Would you have said goodbye to Apache then?
> >
> >There are lots of new docs on the horizon.  Amos and Pam are
> >coordinating the new Zope Developers Guide, and soon there will be a
> >*very* exciting announcment on Zope developer documentation 
> that will be
> >available in about six months.
> >
> >This has been a long standing problem, my first Zope app was 
> when Zope
> >was Principia and the source code was encrypted bytecode, 
> the only way
> >to figure out the API then was to bug Jim and use black-boxing
> >techniques in a python interpreter (and yes, I had to walk 
> uphill both
> >ways to work every day too).  Now that the source code is 
> available and
> >you get to know your way around, documentation is almost superfulous
> >(that's what we tell ourselves at least, we realize that this is an
> >unacceptable situation for most).
> >
> >There are two extrememly useful debugging tools, one is even 
> documented.
> >The Zope debugger and the medusa monitor client.  The 
> debugger lets you
> >simulate a REQUEST to Zope and to enter the Python debugger 
> at certain
> >key breakpoints in the request path.
> >
> >cd to lib/python (make sure Zope is NOT running):
> >
> >[michel@aldous python]$ python1.5.2
> >Python 1.5.2 (#1, Apr 14 1999, 10:34:26)  [GCC 2.7.2.3] on linux2
> >Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
> > >>> import Zope, ZPublisher
> > >>> ZPublisher.Zope('')
> >
> >... output from a request for '' which is the same as
> >http://machine:port/
> >
> > >>> ZPublisher.Zope('/manage', u='superuser:123', d=1)
> >
> >... 'd=1' means enter the debugger immediatly, u='' is the userid and
> >password to access the request (if it needs one).  More 
> information on
> >the pyhton debugger can be found at http://www.python.org
> >
> > >>> ZPublisher.Zope('', t=1)
> >
> >... runs the requst for '' 1000 times and prints the average time it
> >takes to complete one request.
> >
> >Note that the above is for Zope 2.0 ONLY.  If you are using 
> Zope 1.10.2
> >it works ALMOST the same, except instead of saying 'Zope' everywhere,
> >you say 'Main' like:
> >
> > >>> import Main, ZPublisher
> > >>> ZPublisher.Main('')
> >
> >The medusa monitor client put you at a python prompt, RIGHT 
> INSIDE ZOPE.
> >This is so incredibly useful that sometimes I break into Tears Of Joy
> >(tm) that Sam implimented this.
> >
> >Go to your top level directory and cd ZServer/medusa:
> >
> >
> >[michel@aldous medusa]$ python1.5.2 monitor_client.py localhost 9999
> >Enter Password: XXXXX
> >
> >Python 1.5.2 (#1, Apr 14 1999, 10:34:26)  [GCC 2.7.2.3]
> >Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
> >Welcome to <secure_monitor_channel connected 127.0.0.1:2499 
> at 85f88c8>
> >[Hint: try 'from __main__ import *']
> > >>> import Zope
> > >>> x = Zope.app()
> > >>> x
> ><Application instance at 86dc130>
> > >>> x.cat
> ><ZCatalog instance at 86e90a0>
> > >>>
> >
> >You are sitting right inside Zope.  x=Zope.app() makes a 
> connection to
> >the database, at which point 'x' is the 'root folder' of your Zope
> >install.
> >
> >(ZDP guys, you might want to put this on the site)
> >
> >-Michel
> >
> >
> > > - Josh Zeidner
> > >   Phylogenic Inc
> > >
> > >
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