Just FYI: Eric Raymond's new paper "The Magic Cauldron" is out. It includes a few paragraphs on Zope as a way of making money from open source software. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/magic-cauldron/ (Zope comes up in section 8). jon Jonathan Corbet, Eklektix, Inc. corbet@eklektix.com