[Zope] fastcgi and ISP's -- alternatives?

[Craig P Avnit]

I have only been working with Zope in depth for the last couple of days, 
and after having one small problem that was ironed out very quickly, I
have Zope running using PCGI, and will be rolling it out for testing, as we
are a Hosting company who are looking to use Zope, exclusively, as we believe
the possiblities are endless.

I now have three Virtual Servers running Zope all on the same machine, using
the core Zope install, but with seperate data dirs, logs, etc, for each virtual
server, it took a bit of tweaking but I have been able to do the complete setup
from scratch in under 10 minutes, now that I have all the nuances worked out.
Adding virtual servers, takes 30 seconds.

With regards to PHP, to get php working properly, can be just as difficult,
especially when working with phplib.

One has to remember PHP has been around a lot longer, therefor is used in more
installations.


 On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, you wrote:
> > BTW, I assume that you are aware of the commercial FastCGI
> > support at www.fastcgi.org.
> 
> > If I was an ISP, I'd be wildly more receptive to mod_fastcgi (or mod_pcgi,
> > if it existed) than a module that embedded a perl or python interpreter
> > in the web server.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> 
> And yet mod_php is wildly popular and a number of sites offer mod_perl as
> well while mod_fastcgi doesn't seem to interest any of the ISP's (although I
> have found one that does run it). BTW, while convincing them to use
> mod_fastcgi seems hard, convincing ISP's to pay for a commercial engine is
> next to impossible - I tried for months with a similar thing when I needed
> servlet support and mod_jserv wasn't yet out. I don't have a clue why this
> is, I'm just pointing it out.
> 
> What it really comes down to is acceptance and marketing. PHP is marketed
> pretty well and it has a huge user base partly because it is an extremely
> easy drop-in for Apache and was easy for ISP's to include, so that anyone
> can get a cheap account and use it. PHP and MySQL is by far the most popular
> Unix hosting account combination.
> 
> Zope is very much on the upswing in the public eye, but as of yet it isn't
> easy for ISP's to adopt. Granted, it isn't just a language like PHP and will
> always need special configuration, etc... but given the amount of space
> devoted on this list to getting Zope running behind pcgi, and now fastcgi,
> it's no wonder that ISP's aren't terribly interested.
> 
> If ISP's are going to pick up Zope they need something easy and they need
> something identified with Zope specifically. mod_php is obviously php,
> mod_zope would be zope. What the module specifically does (embeds python is
> actually just fastcgi with an accompanying zope install, etc.,) doesn't seem
> to be as important as the fact that it is identified directly with Zope and
> is an easy process.
> 
> I know this sounds simplistic, but after calling ISP's over the past several
> weeks it's a conclusion I can't help but come to.
> 
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
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