As one of the people who had trouble convincing management that "Zope" was a serious program, let me also weigh in with an anecdote about the worth of the name. A co-worker told his wife about "Zope" and she agreed that the name was stupid. Then he mentioned the competition: "StoryServer", "AOLServer" and "SilverStream". She said "Zope is the best name of the bunch." -- --Michael