Look on the old website (www.zope.org:8080/) - Amos posted a Product Tutorial that was enough to get me going. It was for Zope 1, but it will still work under Zope2. (although Zope2 seems to have some nicer stuff for products, the old stuff also works). Anthoyn -- Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.